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MIHIR_KATTI

#11

well...
All I have to say is...
That chess is a sport after all...

well... All I have to say is... That chess is a sport after all...

h2b2

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#12

@Sarg0n said in #1:

Also stuff like match-fixing otb.

fixing matches is easy, getting away with it is hard.

I know a little about match fixing in snooker. there seems to be a match fixing scandal every year.

what happens in snooker is someone or some group will approach a player and offer them money to lose a particular match.

when looking back at the match after they get caught, it looks obvious they are deliberately missing many shots, but that's not how they get caught.

they get caught because the person or group paying for the loss puts a lot of money on the match with betting companies.

betting companies hate losing, they employ the best statisticians to make sure they always win. and the statisticians are very good at their job.

I don't the exact methods and ways, but I guess it's something like a typical snooker match might have, i don't know, $10,000 worth of bets from 100 different accounts in a predictable pattern of x bets of $y on player A to win, z bets of $w on player B to win. No idea what the actual numbers are, it's not important. For every match there is a predictable number of bets, amount of money bet, etc.

Out of the blue, the betting company will get betting action that is out of ordinary. Before the match when they are setting odds, they might predict 70 accounts bet $7000 on player A, and 30 accounts bet $3000 on player B, and they set the odds so no matter who wins, the betting company will win.

but what they actually get is 70 accounts betting $7000 on player A, and 40 accounts betting $100,000 on player B. That raises a red flag by their automated system, they look into all the betting on the match and find 5 accounts that are new and have placed large bets on player B, 5 old accounts that have never bet on snooker before placing large bets.

These gambling companies wait for the match to be over, and if they lose money, they won't pay out the bets and they'll contact the snooker federation and report suspicious betting activity and match fixing.

How do you fix a match and make a lot of money without raising flags with the betting companies? beats me. I guess fixing a match and make a small amount of money would be easy.

@Sarg0n said in #1: > Also stuff like match-fixing otb. fixing matches is easy, getting away with it is hard. I know a little about match fixing in snooker. there seems to be a match fixing scandal every year. what happens in snooker is someone or some group will approach a player and offer them money to lose a particular match. when looking back at the match after they get caught, it looks obvious they are deliberately missing many shots, but that's not how they get caught. they get caught because the person or group paying for the loss puts a lot of money on the match with betting companies. betting companies hate losing, they employ the best statisticians to make sure they always win. and the statisticians are very good at their job. I don't the exact methods and ways, but I guess it's something like a typical snooker match might have, i don't know, $10,000 worth of bets from 100 different accounts in a predictable pattern of x bets of $y on player A to win, z bets of $w on player B to win. No idea what the actual numbers are, it's not important. For every match there is a predictable number of bets, amount of money bet, etc. Out of the blue, the betting company will get betting action that is out of ordinary. Before the match when they are setting odds, they might predict 70 accounts bet $7000 on player A, and 30 accounts bet $3000 on player B, and they set the odds so no matter who wins, the betting company will win. but what they actually get is 70 accounts betting $7000 on player A, and 40 accounts betting $100,000 on player B. That raises a red flag by their automated system, they look into all the betting on the match and find 5 accounts that are new and have placed large bets on player B, 5 old accounts that have never bet on snooker before placing large bets. These gambling companies wait for the match to be over, and if they lose money, they won't pay out the bets and they'll contact the snooker federation and report suspicious betting activity and match fixing. How do you fix a match and make a lot of money without raising flags with the betting companies? beats me. I guess fixing a match and make a small amount of money would be easy.

petri999

#13

chess betting is not as big and most match fixing is more like : we don't feel like playing, or if you agree on draw you will place n:th just as win so would you...

On top level that is obviously as you said.

chess betting is not as big and most match fixing is more like : we don't feel like playing, or if you agree on draw you will place n:th just as win so would you... On top level that is obviously as you said.