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Scotch or scotch gambit

Heyyy buds!
I am really confused and want you guys to help me out with it.
The thing is I play Guico painoissmo which doesn’t suits my personality at all and leads me to loosing or drawing as a results and hardly winning...
And as recommended by some of my friends and by u guys, I should play scotch...
Welll I researched about it, and scotch is divided in to two (scotch game [Nxd4] and scotch gambit [4.Bxc4]) and the question which was really better?! Also pls let me know some books about them...
Thank you,

Heyyy buds! I am really confused and want you guys to help me out with it. The thing is I play Guico painoissmo which doesn’t suits my personality at all and leads me to loosing or drawing as a results and hardly winning... And as recommended by some of my friends and by u guys, I should play scotch... Welll I researched about it, and scotch is divided in to two (scotch game [Nxd4] and scotch gambit [4.Bxc4]) and the question which was really better?! Also pls let me know some books about them... Thank you,

@Qasqyr1 said in #2:

scotch to drink

Lmao...that’s cool but imma looking for opening

@Qasqyr1 said in #2: > scotch to drink Lmao...that’s cool but imma looking for opening

You've not explained why the pianissimo doesn't suit your personality. It is a relatively slower and quieter way of playing (the clue is in the name) compared to the Giuoco Piano or Scotch. If you want more open and tactical positions from the start, then certainly the Scotch would be a better choice. Many of the sharper lines are analysed to rough equality and that's why you don't see them at the highest levels but they're fine against opponents who are not booked up.

You've not explained why the pianissimo doesn't suit your personality. It is a relatively slower and quieter way of playing (the clue is in the name) compared to the Giuoco Piano or Scotch. If you want more open and tactical positions from the start, then certainly the Scotch would be a better choice. Many of the sharper lines are analysed to rough equality and that's why you don't see them at the highest levels but they're fine against opponents who are not booked up.

@lizani said in #4:

You've not explained why the pianissimo doesn't suit your personality.
It was explained in the original discussion: https://lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/positional-or-tactical-player

If you want more open and tactical positions from the start
That's essentially the TL;DR summary. :-)

@lizani said in #4: > You've not explained why the pianissimo doesn't suit your personality. It was explained in the original discussion: https://lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/positional-or-tactical-player > If you want more open and tactical positions from the start That's essentially the TL;DR summary. :-)

A good book on the gambit is:
The Scotch Gambit: An Energetic and Aggressive System for White
Book by Alexander Fishbein

A good book on the gambit is: The Scotch Gambit: An Energetic and Aggressive System for White Book by Alexander Fishbein

@lizani said in #4:

You've not explained why the pianissimo doesn't suit your personality. It is a relatively slower and quieter way of playing (the clue is in the name) compared to the Giuoco Piano or Scotch. If you want more open and tactical positions from the start, then certainly the Scotch would be a better choice. Many of the sharper lines are analysed to rough equality and that's why you don't see them at the highest levels but they're fine against opponents who are not booked up.

Hey buddy
Sorry my bad, let me tell you now .
So basically Guico painoissmo, is known as a slow Italian, I play it Guico painoissmo is more for almost 6 to 5 months but certainly I feel myself stuck after almost 15 minutes in the same opening I hardly find a way to manage win and I end up loosing miserably in the opening of my choice. I choose this opening because almost all my friends were playing the same so I decided to be like them ant play the same opening so that we can have similar thoughts and opinions,but this what it led me....so I was thinking of scotch after talking to almost everyone I knew, they suggested me about that.... So .... Yeah .

@lizani said in #4: > You've not explained why the pianissimo doesn't suit your personality. It is a relatively slower and quieter way of playing (the clue is in the name) compared to the Giuoco Piano or Scotch. If you want more open and tactical positions from the start, then certainly the Scotch would be a better choice. Many of the sharper lines are analysed to rough equality and that's why you don't see them at the highest levels but they're fine against opponents who are not booked up. Hey buddy Sorry my bad, let me tell you now . So basically Guico painoissmo, is known as a slow Italian, I play it Guico painoissmo is more for almost 6 to 5 months but certainly I feel myself stuck after almost 15 minutes in the same opening I hardly find a way to manage win and I end up loosing miserably in the opening of my choice. I choose this opening because almost all my friends were playing the same so I decided to be like them ant play the same opening so that we can have similar thoughts and opinions,but this what it led me....so I was thinking of scotch after talking to almost everyone I knew, they suggested me about that.... So .... Yeah .

@yuckychicken said in #6:

A good book on the gambit is:
The Scotch Gambit: An Energetic and Aggressive System for White
Book by Alexander Fishbein

I will read it. Thanks

@yuckychicken said in #6: > A good book on the gambit is: > The Scotch Gambit: An Energetic and Aggressive System for White > Book by Alexander Fishbein I will read it. Thanks

@Finnessed said in #1:

... I play Guico painoissmo which doesn’t suits my personality at all and leads me to loosing or drawing as a results and hardly winning...
And as recommended by some of my friends and by u guys, I should play scotch...
Welll I researched about it, and scotch is divided in to two (scotch game [Nxd4] and scotch gambit [4.Bxc4]) and the question which was really better?! Also pls let me know some books about them... ...
@lizani said in #4:
You've not explained why the pianissimo doesn't suit your personality. It is a relatively slower and quieter way of playing ... compared to the Giuoco Piano or Scotch. If you want more open and tactical positions from the start, ...
@mkubecek said in #5:
... It was explained in the original discussion: https://lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/positional-or-tactical-player
... That's essentially the TL;DR summary. :-)
https://lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/positional-or-tactical-player?page=3
@Finnessed said in #27:
Okay, I recently had an e-book for John emms book the scotch, I really get confuse with the book... can you provide me with an other that is easy to understand and explains both scotch game and scotch gambit...Please do also tell which type is better(scotch or scotch gambit?) and pls if u had any other book, pls let me know. ...
First of all, the Scotch Game has been a big enough deal to warrant a chapter in books like Understanding the Chess Openings by IM Sam Collins.
http://www.gambitbooks.com/pdfs/Understanding_the_Chess_Openings.pdf
"... Garry Kasparov has called the Scotch Game 'the only serious alternative to the Ruy Lopez'. He tends to be well up on such things so his opinion is worth attention. ..."
However, the IM Collins comment is from about 2 decades ago. I do not know how many would still have the described opinion, today. Still, that kind of prominence (even if it is now somewhat in the past) has the consequence that there are a fair number of books about the opening. Two of them are reviewed at
https://web.archive.org/web/20140627061119/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen82.pdf.
The downside of all the attention is the large amount of material to sift through.
By contrast, I do not remember ever seeing a chapter on the Scotch Gambit in the general reference books. Nevertheless, it seems to be respected:
"... The Scotch Gambit is a fine choice for those who enjoy gambit play with White, ..." - First Steps: 1 e4 e5 (2018) by GM John Emms
It seems to have been thought of as a move order aiming for some lines that are commonly discussed in books on other openings. The position after 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4 Nf6 is routinely considered in discussions of the Two Knights Defense. The 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4 Bc5 5 c3 Nf6 position is normally encountered in the Italian Game.
The Scotch Game and Gambit seem to be regarded as big enough independent subjects that they are not often discussed together. Introductions to both are presented in various parts of First Steps: 1 e4 e5.
https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7790.pdf
“... [First Steps: 1 e4 e5] is a fun and informative book. ...”
https://chesscafe.com/book-reviews/first-steps-1-e4-e5-by-john-emms/
I wonder if there is a butterscotch opening.

@Finnessed said in #1: > ... I play Guico painoissmo which doesn’t suits my personality at all and leads me to loosing or drawing as a results and hardly winning... > And as recommended by some of my friends and by u guys, I should play scotch... > Welll I researched about it, and scotch is divided in to two (scotch game [Nxd4] and scotch gambit [4.Bxc4]) and the question which was really better?! Also pls let me know some books about them... ... @lizani said in #4: > You've not explained why the pianissimo doesn't suit your personality. It is a relatively slower and quieter way of playing ... compared to the Giuoco Piano or Scotch. If you want more open and tactical positions from the start, ... @mkubecek said in #5: > ... It was explained in the original discussion: https://lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/positional-or-tactical-player > ... That's essentially the TL;DR summary. :-) https://lichess.org/forum/general-chess-discussion/positional-or-tactical-player?page=3 @Finnessed said in #27: > Okay, I recently had an e-book for John emms book the scotch, I really get confuse with the book... can you provide me with an other that is easy to understand and explains both scotch game and scotch gambit...Please do also tell which type is better(scotch or scotch gambit?) and pls if u had any other book, pls let me know. ... First of all, the Scotch Game has been a big enough deal to warrant a chapter in books like Understanding the Chess Openings by IM Sam Collins. http://www.gambitbooks.com/pdfs/Understanding_the_Chess_Openings.pdf "... Garry Kasparov has called the Scotch Game 'the only serious alternative to the Ruy Lopez'. He tends to be well up on such things so his opinion is worth attention. ..." However, the IM Collins comment is from about 2 decades ago. I do not know how many would still have the described opinion, today. Still, that kind of prominence (even if it is now somewhat in the past) has the consequence that there are a fair number of books about the opening. Two of them are reviewed at https://web.archive.org/web/20140627061119/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/hansen82.pdf. The downside of all the attention is the large amount of material to sift through. By contrast, I do not remember ever seeing a chapter on the Scotch Gambit in the general reference books. Nevertheless, it seems to be respected: "... The Scotch Gambit is a fine choice for those who enjoy gambit play with White, ..." - First Steps: 1 e4 e5 (2018) by GM John Emms It seems to have been thought of as a move order aiming for some lines that are commonly discussed in books on other openings. The position after 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4 Nf6 is routinely considered in discussions of the Two Knights Defense. The 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4 Bc5 5 c3 Nf6 position is normally encountered in the Italian Game. The Scotch Game and Gambit seem to be regarded as big enough independent subjects that they are not often discussed together. Introductions to both are presented in various parts of First Steps: 1 e4 e5. https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/7790.pdf “... [First Steps: 1 e4 e5] is a fun and informative book. ...” https://chesscafe.com/book-reviews/first-steps-1-e4-e5-by-john-emms/ I wonder if there is a butterscotch opening.

@kindaspongey said in #9:

The 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4 Bc5 5 c3 Nf6 position is normally encountered in the Italian Game.
Not sure where I saw it but I remember that one book presents this line (followed by 6. e5 d5) as a way (for black) to avoid the Scotch Gambit and transpose into Giuoco Piano. On the other hand, I have also seen some people calling the 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. d4 line "Scotch Gambit"...

@kindaspongey said in #9: > The 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4 Bc5 5 c3 Nf6 position is normally encountered in the Italian Game. Not sure where I saw it but I remember that one book presents this line (followed by 6. e5 d5) as a way (for black) to avoid the Scotch Gambit and transpose into Giuoco Piano. On the other hand, I have also seen some people calling the 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. d4 line "Scotch Gambit"...

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