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Feel free to try out the Scotch but if you want to try something more daring while staying within the Italian Game family you also really ought to try out the Evans Gambit and c3, d4 Italian (instead of c3, d3). Both are very aggressive and tactical variations that start fighting for the center and threatening kingside attacks immediately.
Yes, I’m playing the e5 advance after the move d4 for now.

@SteelTemple said in #30: > Feel free to try out the Scotch but if you want to try something more daring while staying within the Italian Game family you also really ought to try out the Evans Gambit and c3, d4 Italian (instead of c3, d3). Both are very aggressive and tactical variations that start fighting for the center and threatening kingside attacks immediately. Yes, I’m playing the e5 advance after the move d4 for now.

scotch

@kindaspongey said in #9:

... The 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4 Bc5 5 c3 Nf6 position is normally encountered in the Italian Game. ...
@Finnessed said in #26:
... I heard about Ng5 line?
"... Following [1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4 Bc5 5 Ng5 Nh6 6 Nxf7 Nxf7 7 Bxf7+ Kxf7 8 Qh5+ g6 9 Qxc5 d6 10 Qc4+ Be6 11 Qe2 Re8] Black's king is slightly exposed but, to counter this, he has a considerable lead in development." - First Steps: 1 e4 e5 (2018) by GM John Emms

@kindaspongey said in #9: > ... The 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4 Bc5 5 c3 Nf6 position is normally encountered in the Italian Game. ... @Finnessed said in #26: > ... I heard about Ng5 line? "... Following [1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4 Bc5 5 Ng5 Nh6 6 Nxf7 Nxf7 7 Bxf7+ Kxf7 8 Qh5+ g6 9 Qxc5 d6 10 Qc4+ Be6 11 Qe2 Re8] Black's king is slightly exposed but, to counter this, he has a considerable lead in development." - First Steps: 1 e4 e5 (2018) by GM John Emms

XDorukYT-YouTube

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can someone show me that

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httpscolon//lichess.org/GOyLrcxW

https://lichess.org/GOyLrcxW

"... A master game of the first half of the nineteenth century opened with ... [1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4 Bc5 5 Ng5 Ne5 6 Bxf7+ Nxf7 7 Nxf7 Kxf7 8 Qh5+ g6 9 Qxc5] White wins a pawn and has a distinct advantage. An American chess player tried the same combination against Morphy. ... [1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4 Bc5 5 Ng5 Nh6 6 Bxf7+ Nxf7 7 Nxf7 Kxf7 8 Qh5+ g6 9 Qxc5 d6] ... White has a bad game ..." - Richard Réti (~1923)

httpscolon//lichess.org/GOyLrcxW https://lichess.org/GOyLrcxW "... A master game of the first half of the nineteenth century opened with ... [1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4 Bc5 5 Ng5 Ne5 6 Bxf7+ Nxf7 7 Nxf7 Kxf7 8 Qh5+ g6 9 Qxc5] White wins a pawn and has a distinct advantage. An American chess player tried the same combination against Morphy. ... [1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4 Bc5 5 Ng5 Nh6 6 Bxf7+ Nxf7 7 Nxf7 Kxf7 8 Qh5+ g6 9 Qxc5 d6] ... White has a bad game ..." - Richard Réti (~1923)

Finnessed

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@kindaspongey said in #35:

httpscolon//lichess.org/GOyLrcxW

"... A master game of the first half of the nineteenth century opened with ... [1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4 Bc5 5 Ng5 Ne5 6 Bxf7+ Nxf7 7 Nxf7 Kxf7 8 Qh5+ g6 9 Qxc5] White wins a pawn and has a distinct advantage. An American chess player tried the same combination against Morphy. ... [1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4 Bc5 5 Ng5 Nh6 6 Bxf7+ Nxf7 7 Nxf7 Kxf7 8 Qh5+ g6 9 Qxc5 d6] ... White has a bad game ..." - Richard Réti (~1923)

Yes, I somewhat think that many people don’t know about the ng5 line CONTINUATION!?

@kindaspongey said in #35: > httpscolon//lichess.org/GOyLrcxW > > "... A master game of the first half of the nineteenth century opened with ... [1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4 Bc5 5 Ng5 Ne5 6 Bxf7+ Nxf7 7 Nxf7 Kxf7 8 Qh5+ g6 9 Qxc5] White wins a pawn and has a distinct advantage. An American chess player tried the same combination against Morphy. ... [1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4 Bc5 5 Ng5 Nh6 6 Bxf7+ Nxf7 7 Nxf7 Kxf7 8 Qh5+ g6 9 Qxc5 d6] ... White has a bad game ..." - Richard Réti (~1923) Yes, I somewhat think that many people don’t know about the ng5 line CONTINUATION!?

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About 2 years ago, in the space of a few weeks, I noticed a number of games that arrived at the 5 Ng5 position. It made me suspect that someone had done a video about it. Do you like the idea of playing the httpscolon//lichess.org/GOyLrcxW position? Have you thought about what you would specifically want to play after 11...Re8 ? Perhaps, some opponents will play 9...d5 instead of 9...d6. Others will choose 4...Nf6 or 4...Bb4+. Among over-2000 players, I would guess that at least some of them would have seen Réti's famous book with the discussion of the Morphy game near the beginning. Others would perhaps simply be able to work out what to do over the board.

harimanavalan

#38

For Scotch Gambit Present Sir

Finnessed

#39

@harimanavalan said in #38:

For Scotch Gambit Present Sir

Okeyyy!

@harimanavalan said in #38: > For Scotch Gambit Present Sir Okeyyy!

kindaspongey

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Somewhat to my surprise, I did come across a 2022 4...Bc5 5 Ng5 Scotch Gambit game between players with ratings over 2600: [Event "37th European Club Cup Open 2022"] [Site "Mayrhofen AUT"] [Date "2022.10.05"] [Round "3.1"] [White "Rauf Mamedov"] [Black "Viswanathan Anand"] [ECO "C44"] [WhiteElo "2646"] [BlackElo "2756"] 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 d4 exd4 4 Bc4 Bc5 5 Ng5 Nh6 6 Nxf7 Nxf7 7 Bxf7+ Kxf7 8 Qh5+ g6 9 Qxc5 d5 10 O-O dxe4 11 c3 Re8 12 cxd4 Qxd4 13 Qg5 Qf6 14 Qg3 Nd4 15 Nc3 c6 16 Bg5 Qe5 17 Rad1 Nf5 18 Qxe5 Rxe5 19 Rfe1 h6 20 Bf4 Re8 21 Nxe4 g5 22 Nd6+ Nxd6 23 Bxd6 Rxe1+ 24 Rxe1 Be6 25 a3 Rd8 26 Bb4 Re8 27 Bc3 Bd5 28 Rxe8 Kxe8 29 f3 Kf7 30 Kf2 h5 ½-½ https://www.365chess.com/game.php?gid=4376344 I am not aware of any other games like that from 2022, 2023, or 2024.