PLayers with Black aborting

Yes I aborted a game as black just now, reason being I've been seeing nothing but e4 for days straight, there are some d4's and weird gambits in the mix, but 90% it is just e4, im tired of it, you play the sicilian you get the bowdler attack, play pirc it is dry dumb italian sort of structure, it just gets boring

@N00801 said in #11:

Yes I aborted a game as black just now, reason being I've been seeing nothing but e4 for days straight, there are some d4's and weird gambits in the mix, but 90% it is just e4, im tired of it, you play the sicilian you get the bowdler attack, play pirc it is dry dumb italian sort of structure, it just gets boring

Try the dragon against it is completely different tahan other scicilians and really fun.

Aborting games is not the answer...

@fin34601473braunpaul said in #9:

How to fulfill task: Keep playing, that DOES NOT mean "keep playing as sensible as you can when you are down several pieces, completely lost and completely frustrated".

Why playing anything and not ever aborting games is considered better I do not understand.

It's not possible to abort after the game has started. Maybe you're getting aborting and resigning confused? Obviously you won't be punished for resigning in a lost position, but that's not what we're talking about here.

(Also if you don't include my @ when you quote me, I won't be pinged so I won't know you replied unless I check.)

@N00801 said in #11:

play pirc it is dry dumb italian sort of structure, it just gets boring

And that is your problem?
I'm very "happy" if they go Bc4 against my 1...d6 and I win nearly every game. As a former Caro player I play Nf6,c6 followed by d5 except for Bb3 of course. If 4.Bb3 b5!? and they can't play f4 because of b4 so they go a3. Then Nbd7 and I'm already threatening Nc5 so they play d4 and now e5 and I get a very nice Philidor which is far better than the usual Hanham Philidor...

I don't think anybody should get a "lifetime" ban for aborting. After all, with time people often mature and otherwise improve. And SOME offenses are accidental and infrequent.

HOWEVER, I DO think a TEMPORARY ban should come much more readily and quickly and assuredly (but not on a first offense) for people who:

1. abort after voluntarily starting a game;

2. let the clock run -- without moving -- in a dead lost, hopeless position, for 20 percent or more of the original time allowance (i.e. "clock spite" -- a term I believe I coined, years ago);

3. Simply leave the game, rather than resign like a reasonable adult, in a dead lost, hopeless position (i.e. "rage quit" -- a term I definitely did NOT coin); with any time left on the clock at all.

Some clarification: if a player has a horrid position but KEEPS PLAYING, even if a rational man would resign, I do NOT consider that offensive or wrong. We all have the right to play with our own skill level, I think -- and if somebody keeps going, more power to them. That might be foolish, but it seems well within the rules and it shouldn't offend us -- at least those of us who are not professional players.

Some might respond: "oooh, but the other guy (or gal) is just throwing away pieces, and wasting my time!" No, the other guy (or gal) MIGHT be deliberating downsizing in hopes of tricking the better player into getting sloppy and STALEMATING. Indeed, that's a recognized and legitimate tactic in blitz, especially. And, weirdly, it sometimes works. I know this from experience, from both sides of the board.

Moving on -- by "readily and quickly and assuredly" I don't mean "on the first offense." I don't even mean "on the first offense this week."

By "readily and quickly and assuredly" I mean something like:

a) 1 day ban for the third offense in one month.
b) 2 day ban for the fourth offense in one month.
c) 3 day ban for the fifth offense in one month.
d) and so forth.

I would hope for the "offense" totals to be reset each month (or perhaps each 30 days from first offense of the month), since people DO learn if ACTUALLY faced with consequences, and since sometimes a player MIGHT have trouble with his or her internet which can cause unintentional game-leavings.

BUT, I think most aborts, spite clocks and rage quits are NOT accidental.

And I think they happen too often, and (perhaps I'm wrong, but ....) I suspect, at present, that there are not sufficiently assured and frequent, or at least clearly articulated, consequences.

ARE the consequences definite, specific and clearly spelled out somewhere that we can all see? If they are, I haven't become aware of that -- and suspect I am far from the only one. If that's my own fault, I'm sorry.

LiChess HAS improved in this regard a bit -- a few years back a moderator got a bit, uh, apparently unhappy with me when I politely suggested that giving a warning message in the game window to someone WHO HAD LEFT the game was not very helpful. As I recall, the moderator said the message was given to reassure the remaining player that something might be done. The moderator, at the time, seemed to feel, rather emphatically, that no change was needed. I didn't find that very reassuring.

But, sure enough, a while back such messages apparently started showing up to the offending player when he next signed on. This DOES seem to be an improvement. How do I know this happens? Every once in a while, I ACCIDENTALLY offend myself, as when I answer the phone and fail to notice a game has started, and when that happens I now seem to get such a message (and think it's a great idea).

BUT it's not clear, to me at least, that the consequences are as yet sufficiently spelled out, well known, dependable and sufficiently soon. If they were, I don't think we'd be seeing as many aborts, clock spites and rage quits.

But, of course, I might be wrong. This is just an articulation of current impression, trying to respond (and agree, in some cases) with many excellent posts above.

Hm. Resigning too fast several times in a row is not allowed because of possible sandbagging.
Nice to know... So no more rage quitting for me, just rage patzering as I wrote before...

@chesspagan said in #1:

I am so sick of players with the black pieces aborting the game before making a move. EVERY time that happens, they should be banned for a week, and then 2 weeks and then a month, and then forever

I've had it happen to me many times too. I think Lichess should take 1 rating point away from anyone who starts a game with the black pieces and aborts the game before making a move. There definitely should be a consequence for this type of poor behavior.

@S_Hansen146 said in #18:

I think Lichess should take 1 rating point away from anyone who starts a game with the black pieces and aborts the game before making a move.

It should not. Using the rating system for punishment would harm its real purpose. It's bad enough that it already happens (in specific situations) in arena style tournaments, it would be wrong to extent such abuse further.

There definitely should be a consequence for this type of poor behavior.

There are. Every now and then someone complains about them in this forum.

"Your opponent left the game. You can claim victory, call the game a draw, or wait."

It's a nice day when I do not encounter this more than once, frankly. Indeed, that was "copied and pasted" not typed from memory.

Are we sure the consequences are frequently enough applied, and / or well-enough known?

Asking for a friend.