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So I started with this book ' complete chess strategy' by ludek pachman. Some of the chess notations are different. For ex, it has notations like P-N3 which I couldn't follow. Did they use different chess notations before? Is there a key to deciphering them? I did a simple Google search but couldn't find any resource for understanding these notations. Please help!

So I started with this book ' complete chess strategy' by ludek pachman. Some of the chess notations are different. For ex, it has notations like P-N3 which I couldn't follow. Did they use different chess notations before? Is there a key to deciphering them? I did a simple Google search but couldn't find any resource for understanding these notations. Please help!

Search for Descriptive notation in chess and you'll found it.

Here a converter: http://www.abdelnauer.de/js/notation.htm (EDIT: out of order)

Search for Descriptive notation in chess and you'll found it. Here a converter: http://www.abdelnauer.de/js/notation.htm (EDIT: out of order)

it is descriptive notation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descriptive_notation

it is harder than the traditional chinese lol

jokes aside you need some time to understand it

it is descriptive notation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Descriptive_notation it is harder than the traditional chinese lol jokes aside you need some time to understand it

This is the Anglo-Saxon descriptive notation.
P = pawn, N = knight, B = Bishop, R = rook, Q = queen, K = king
When ambiguity then KN = king's knight, KR = king's rook, KB = king's bishop, QN = queen's knight, QB = queen's bishop, QR = queen's rook
files are designated by the piece that stands there in the starting position
a = QR b = QN, c = QB, d = Q, e = K, f = KB, g = KN, h = KR
Rows are designated from 1 to 8 from the perspective of that player.
For white 1 = 1, 2 = 2 3 = 3, ... 8 = 8
For black 8 = 1, 7 = 2, 6 = 2, ... 1 = 8
So 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 a6
1 P-K4 P-K4 2 N-KB3 N-QB3 2 B-N5 P-QR3

This is the Anglo-Saxon descriptive notation. P = pawn, N = knight, B = Bishop, R = rook, Q = queen, K = king When ambiguity then KN = king's knight, KR = king's rook, KB = king's bishop, QN = queen's knight, QB = queen's bishop, QR = queen's rook files are designated by the piece that stands there in the starting position a = QR b = QN, c = QB, d = Q, e = K, f = KB, g = KN, h = KR Rows are designated from 1 to 8 from the perspective of that player. For white 1 = 1, 2 = 2 3 = 3, ... 8 = 8 For black 8 = 1, 7 = 2, 6 = 2, ... 1 = 8 So 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 a6 1 P-K4 P-K4 2 N-KB3 N-QB3 2 B-N5 P-QR3

Once upon a time I concocted the following. Inspired by Donner‘s weird story I published 2014 a game of mine in Donner‘s distorted style to „encrypt“ it by means of descriptive notation. Donner claimed that the US invented this type of notation that no one can follow their games.

The first move of the Whites:
The Queen's Pawn advances two Squares

The first move of the Blacks:
The King's Knight jumps to the King's Bishop's Third Square

The second move of the Whites:
The Queen's Knight jumps to the Queen's Bishop's Third Square

The second move of the Blacks:
The King's Knight Pawn advances one Square

The third move of the Whites:
The King's Pawn advances two Squares

The third move of the Blacks:
The Queen Pawn advances one Square

The fourth move of the Whites:
The King's Bishop's Pawn advances two Squares

The fourth move of the Blacks:
The King's Bishop positions himself on the King's Knight's second Square

The fifth move of the Whites:
The King's Knight jumps to the King's Bishop's third Square

The fifth move of the Blacks:
The Queen's Bishop's Pawn advances two Squares

The sixth move of the Whites:
The King's Bishop positions himself on the fifth Square of the Queen's Knight announcing echec.

The sixth move of the Blacks:
The Queen's Bishop positions himself on the Queen's second Square

The seventh move of the Whites:
The King's Pawn advances one Square

The seventh move of the Blacks:
The King's Knight jumps to the King's Knight fifth Square

The eight move of the Whites:
The King's Pawn advances one Square

The eight move of the Blacks:
The King Bishop's Pawn captures the White Pawn

The nineth move of the Whites:
The King's Knight jumps to the King's Knight fifth Square

The nineth move of the Blacks:
The Queen's Bishop captures the Black Bishop

The tenth move of the Whites:
The King's Knight captures the Black King's Pawn

The tenth move of the Blacks:
The King's Bishop captures the Black Pawn

The eleventh move of the Whites:
The King's Knight captures the Black Queen

The eleventh move of the Blacks:
The King's Bishop positions himself on the King Bishop's seventh square announcig echec.

The twelfth move of the Whites:
The King occupies the Queen's second Square

The twelfth move of the Blacks:
The King's Bishop positions himself on the King's sixth square announcig echec.

The thirteenth move of the Whites:
The King occupies the King's first Square

The thirteenth move of the Blacks:
The King's Bishop positions himself on the King Bishop's seventh square announcig echec

The fourteenth move of the Whites:
The King occupies the Queen's second Square

The fourteenth move of the Blacks:
The King's Bishop positions himself on the King's sixth square announcig echec.

These moves having thus been repeated several times, an impasse was recorded.

Once upon a time I concocted the following. Inspired by Donner‘s weird story I published 2014 a game of mine in Donner‘s distorted style to „encrypt“ it by means of descriptive notation. Donner claimed that the US invented this type of notation that no one can follow their games. The first move of the Whites: The Queen's Pawn advances two Squares The first move of the Blacks: The King's Knight jumps to the King's Bishop's Third Square The second move of the Whites: The Queen's Knight jumps to the Queen's Bishop's Third Square The second move of the Blacks: The King's Knight Pawn advances one Square The third move of the Whites: The King's Pawn advances two Squares The third move of the Blacks: The Queen Pawn advances one Square The fourth move of the Whites: The King's Bishop's Pawn advances two Squares The fourth move of the Blacks: The King's Bishop positions himself on the King's Knight's second Square The fifth move of the Whites: The King's Knight jumps to the King's Bishop's third Square The fifth move of the Blacks: The Queen's Bishop's Pawn advances two Squares The sixth move of the Whites: The King's Bishop positions himself on the fifth Square of the Queen's Knight announcing echec. The sixth move of the Blacks: The Queen's Bishop positions himself on the Queen's second Square The seventh move of the Whites: The King's Pawn advances one Square The seventh move of the Blacks: The King's Knight jumps to the King's Knight fifth Square The eight move of the Whites: The King's Pawn advances one Square The eight move of the Blacks: The King Bishop's Pawn captures the White Pawn The nineth move of the Whites: The King's Knight jumps to the King's Knight fifth Square The nineth move of the Blacks: The Queen's Bishop captures the Black Bishop The tenth move of the Whites: The King's Knight captures the Black King's Pawn The tenth move of the Blacks: The King's Bishop captures the Black Pawn The eleventh move of the Whites: The King's Knight captures the Black Queen The eleventh move of the Blacks: The King's Bishop positions himself on the King Bishop's seventh square announcig echec. The twelfth move of the Whites: The King occupies the Queen's second Square The twelfth move of the Blacks: The King's Bishop positions himself on the King's sixth square announcig echec. The thirteenth move of the Whites: The King occupies the King's first Square The thirteenth move of the Blacks: The King's Bishop positions himself on the King Bishop's seventh square announcig echec The fourteenth move of the Whites: The King occupies the Queen's second Square The fourteenth move of the Blacks: The King's Bishop positions himself on the King's sixth square announcig echec. These moves having thus been repeated several times, an impasse was recorded.

By the way, thirty years ago I translated Bobby Fischer‘s game against Gligoric from his 60 memorable games in descriptive notation. Done on an Amiga 500.

A pain, it still gives me knightmares...

By the way, thirty years ago I translated Bobby Fischer‘s game against Gligoric from his 60 memorable games in descriptive notation. Done on an Amiga 500. A pain, it still gives me knightmares...

@tpr thanks so much for the reader's digest version of it. 🙏

@Sarg0n 😱 60 games in this notation! It will take me a day to decipher the post you had written above btw :)

@tpr thanks so much for the reader's digest version of it. 🙏 @Sarg0n 😱 60 games in this notation! It will take me a day to decipher the post you had written above btw :)

@tpr

1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 a6
1 P-K4 P-K4 2 N-KB3 N-QB3 2 B-N5 P-QR3
or
1 P-K4 P-K4 2 N-KB3 N-QB3 2 B-QN5 P-QR3

If it continued with
4 Ba4 Nge7
Is the correct notation
4 B-R4 KN-K2
or
4 B-QR4 KN-K2

@tpr 1 e4 e5 2 Nf3 Nc6 3 Bb5 a6 1 P-K4 P-K4 2 N-KB3 N-QB3 2 B-N5 P-QR3 or 1 P-K4 P-K4 2 N-KB3 N-QB3 2 B-QN5 P-QR3 If it continued with 4 Ba4 Nge7 Is the correct notation 4 B-R4 KN-K2 or 4 B-QR4 KN-K2

In Alekhine's 2 books of his best games, the knights are notated as "Kt," which I've never seen elsewhere. It becomes a headache when you see "7. K Kt-K 2, K-Kt 1"

English descriptive is tricky and cumbersome to look at.

But, speaking of— I notate kinda weird, maybe someone will appreciate it, haha...

https://imgur.com/a/MGZKSgX

I use French and Hebrew, so I can notate from both sides of the page. This was a fun game if you can figure it out 😅

In Alekhine's 2 books of his best games, the knights are notated as "Kt," which I've never seen elsewhere. It becomes a headache when you see "7. K Kt-K 2, K-Kt 1" English descriptive is tricky and cumbersome to look at. But, speaking of— I notate kinda weird, maybe someone will appreciate it, haha... https://imgur.com/a/MGZKSgX I use French and Hebrew, so I can notate from both sides of the page. This was a fun game if you can figure it out 😅

While the piece game history dependency might be a complication, I think some simplifying thinking aspect of it have been lost with the disembodied algebraic notation. hypothesis. why not keep the pawn starting position piece correspondence and the player perspective? The pawns are not likely to travel laterally as much, so knowing it has makes the notation informative.

but for communication efficiency I guess having a blind notation system, might be better. just more deciphering to do until it has become internalized.

i am proficient in none of these..... just finding some good aspects about both. (what i gathered from seeing some).

While the piece game history dependency might be a complication, I think some simplifying thinking aspect of it have been lost with the disembodied algebraic notation. hypothesis. why not keep the pawn starting position piece correspondence and the player perspective? The pawns are not likely to travel laterally as much, so knowing it has makes the notation informative. but for communication efficiency I guess having a blind notation system, might be better. just more deciphering to do until it has become internalized. i am proficient in none of these..... just finding some good aspects about both. (what i gathered from seeing some).

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