Is there many bot’s/artificial players in lichess?

@arbez said in #10:

They are no bots, but are you really sure that all of them are "normal" people?
Worst case scenario, they are cheating. In that case, you will get your rating back. I would be shocked if all your opponents are cheating. In my time on Lichess, I have only come across 3 cheaters, all of them were very clearly cheating and so, I reported them and got my rating back.

I just referred to the word "normal". Some chess players are said to be excentric for example, and some are addicted to playing chess.

@TakeThePawnOrLose said in #12:

Worst case scenario, they are cheating. In that case, you will get your rating back. I would be shocked if all your opponents are cheating. In my time on Lichess, I have only come across 3 cheaters, all of them were very clearly cheating and so, I reported them and got my rating back.

Found this in Reddit ( link is in the bottom):
Lichess runs it's own bot farm! Proof!

Why are there so many bots on lichess? At least 50%(more like 75) of casual matches are bots.

Proof:

1. They all play exactly the same moves. 100% of the time the same response to the same opening and the same lines. All 100% perfect moves.

2. They move, generally, very quickly.

3. cp loss is usually less than 20, no blunders, and usually 0 or 1 mistake.

4. And here is the real proof:

If it's a 15 min game. You play, you tell them they are a bot. No response. You wait 3 mins and no response. You wait 5 mins and no response. You tell them they suck and they are a bot... no response. Wait another 5 mins. Nothing.

Also, I've been blocked 2 times from wasting time out of thousands of games. Most human players will flag games.

These patterns suggest rampant botting. I know, I know! Some are going to say that there are not bots on lichess and that I'm a sore loser and suck at chess...

The question you should be asking, is lichess running a bot farm so that it can artificially create a larger base to seem larger than it is? How hard would it be to do such a thing? Setup an off site computer(s) and create a bit of code to automate chess?

I do not know if it is lichess or individuals or a campaign against lichess, but it is full of bots. Humans don't behave in predictable patterns like computers. Even computers can be made to have random turn time and say random things like Hi, Good game, etc.

The tale tale sign is that a human won't just waste 10 mins of their live waiting for someone to take a 10 second turn without saying something.

Yet, out of about 1000 games, I've actually only had a handful of people actually say stuff like "Your turn!", "Go", "Stop wasting my time", or any response what so ever(most do not respond at all).

It may be that lichess has signaled my account, for some reason, and makes me play the computer but tries to trick me in to believing it is a real person by simply giving the player a name... but whatever is going on, the games I'm playing on lichess are mainly bots.

Obviously a lot of idiots will say "You are an idiot. Lichess does not run a bot farm" or whatever... but of course idiots can conjure up "facts" out of thin air. How would a random internet retard know if lichess is or isn't using a bot? Well, we can't prove that lichess isn't because to do that would require us to inspect all the actives of the people involved, which no one here does. The only way to "prove" it is by analyzing the games themselves.

So, I suggest you make an account, play 10 10m games, play a few moves in to the game, if it feels like a bot(you can try to start a conversation) then simply stop playing and wait them out. See if they say anything. See how many games you get with no response. Of course, those deniers won't do this because it's easier to be a naysayer than go out and get some hard evidence.

If 10 games are not enough, try 100. What is the bot percentage? 1%? 10%?(which is extremely high) 20%? 50%? ?

My feeling is this: A lot of users use bots so they can create accounts and get their ratings up to the 2000's or so before they actually play much. Since lichess offers real money, it is worth people to have many accounts to increase their odds of winning. If you have a tournament with 100 players and can get 10-20 of your fake accounts in it then you stand a very good chance of winning the prize. Use tor, and since lichess requires very little bandwidth to play, it's quite an easy thing to do. It is no technical feat.

There could be other nefarious reasons too but regardless, something is shifty and if you don't believe it you are an idiot(which is fact because there is no way you, as an individual could no one way or another... so being a naysayer is imbecilic. unless you believe that I am making up the facts, which would be stupid of me. I might be misinterpreting them or just a string of players who don't talk or care about wasted time... but that is different than denying the facts without any facts of your own).

Obviously lichess admins and fanboys will say I'm an idiot... but do you think they can be trusted? If they are running a bot far or up to other things they will obviously lie. If they are actually honest and fair then maybe they just don't know, obviously how could they know if they are being invaded by a bunch of sophisticated bots? Their bot detection methods are weak, I've in fact used lichess stockfish to play against players(on casual and when I've determined 95%+ they are a bot and tell them I'm using stockfish(no response of course) and lichess never has banned my account. I don't do it often, but...

Of course, it could be that lichess does not do any monitoring on casual nor ban players on casual but that still doesn't explain the infestation.

I know many say there is no incentive for people to cheat on causual or in general without any reward, but humans are insane and we already have several instances of top players getting caught cheating(and if the top are doing it without much of an incentive, you know there are many more).

Link:
https://www.reddit.com/r/lichess/comments/7h7ntk/lichess_runs_its_own_bot_farm_proof/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

@glbert said in #9:

no, it's the other way around. your country blocked chesscom.
Yes yes... it was the officials in our country who blocked this site ... Apparently one of them wanted to earn himself an asterisk ....I can 't imagine how could a chess website interfere ??

Why would you copy paste that Reddit post from an troller and idiot (as the poster was called in the only two replies he got, rightfully so)?

You can label something a proof 100 times in one post, doesn’t make it more conclusive or even true unless you actually deliver. People not chatting just means people are lazy or play in Zen mode (on small screen chat is also cut off completely).

People not chatting just means people are lazy or play in Zen mode

nah. someone asking everyone if they're a bot and not getting any replies means they were muted and not smart enough to realize it.

edit: i predict the same fate for op.

Are you guys defending a website like this?
Do you really know what it is?
I'd say the site is designed for other reasons, than chess alone.
Anyway im "in before the lock"...

@Space-check said in #14:

1. They all play exactly the same moves. 100% of the time the same response to the same opening and the same lines. All 100% perfect moves.

Yes, that's me. I've been playing mostly the same openings for almost two years now. Am I bot?

2. They move, generally, very quickly.

Well yeah, since I play always the same moves I play them fast. Wouldn't make sense to play the same moves slowly, would it?

3. cp loss is usually less than 20, no blunders, and usually 0 or 1 mistake.

This is a cheat accusation, If he's got evidence or just a suspect he should just report the accounts. Bet he didn't?
Also, is he aware that people once in a while can play flawless games and not be cheaters?
Moreover, is he aware that in casual mode players may be underrated because they improve but rating doesn't change?

4. And here is the real proof:
   If it's a 15 min game. You play, you tell them they are a bot. No response. You wait 3 mins and no response. You wait 5 mins and no response. You tell them they suck and they are a bot... no response. Wait another 5 mins. Nothing.

And the strongest evidence, which is not even real evidence because it is just his word and not actually supported by anything, is that he trash talks people in chat and they don't reply back. Wow, what a great evidence!

I can think of 4 possible scenarios why this happens, without trying hard to make up a surreal conspiracy theory like our buddy there:

1. He is shadowbanned;
2. His opponents are shadowbanned;
3. His opponents have the chat disabled;
4. His opponents don't want to reply.

Space-check, are you aware that your guy is banned on reddit? Wonder why eh. Not a great reputation to leave behind.

@Kopf74 said in #15:

Yes yes... it was the officials in our country who blocked this site ... Apparently one of them wanted to earn himself an asterisk ....I can 't imagine how could a chess website interfere ??

Since you don't trust western sources here's the official Russian government site: https://blocklist.rkn.gov.ru/#anchor. Insert chesscom url in the search field and see the results.

https://blocklist.rkn.gov.ru/article15-3/ states:

6. List of foreign and international non-governmental organizations whose activities are recognized as undesirable on the territory of the Russian Federation