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#27 it's a horrible way of learning chess. I used to play computer chess before Stockfish and online chess existed and it was the worst thing I could do.

However I can see that it makes some sense for grandmasters to use computers for opening preparation. Also such guys as Capablanca and Morphy would probably benefit from computer assistance. But how many of us are Capablancas/Morphys?

#27 it's a horrible way of learning chess. I used to play computer chess before Stockfish and online chess existed and it was the worst thing I could do. However I can see that it makes some sense for grandmasters to use computers for opening preparation. Also such guys as Capablanca and Morphy would probably benefit from computer assistance. But how many of us are Capablancas/Morphys?

@pointlesswindows The engine is a very nice tool to have. For me - I love reading old pre-computer-era chess books by my favorite old-time authors.

Most of the time, their analysis is perfectly fine for my needs. But once in a while, they will give some line that I do not understand completely. I will say to myself - "Hey, what if white moves 40. Qc5 - doesn't that refute your whole line ?".

At that point, I can either stay confused and annoyed or just put the position into an engine and get the answer to my question.

So I do it - and I am happy once again.

@pointlesswindows The engine is a very nice tool to have. For me - I love reading old pre-computer-era chess books by my favorite old-time authors. Most of the time, their analysis is perfectly fine for my needs. But once in a while, they will give some line that I do not understand completely. I will say to myself - "Hey, what if white moves 40. Qc5 - doesn't that refute your whole line ?". At that point, I can either stay confused and annoyed or just put the position into an engine and get the answer to my question. So I do it - and I am happy once again.

@ambrooks yes it's nice to have chess engines analyse after the game, also they show interesting alternative moves as you said, but nobody with common sense will play against them. Kasparov tried it a few times in the past, but now every smartphone plays chess better than Deep Blue.

@ambrooks yes it's nice to have chess engines analyse after the game, also they show interesting alternative moves as you said, but nobody with common sense will play against them. Kasparov tried it a few times in the past, but now every smartphone plays chess better than Deep Blue.

It is good training.

It is good training.

#27 by @tpr
Yeah, one of the ways, one of the parts of training. Be sure to be willing to play(LOSE) with the engine before playing with it or else it will just frustrate you or make you impatient or anxious or whatsoever. The thing is, when playing the computer, I tend to "try-not-to-die-asap" or "try-to-withstand" and it helps. By trying to withstand, I will try to be more attentive to death threats and others. Copy the death threats, development speed, defending ideas and so on. What you gain or lose while playing with the engine is highly dependent on what you went there for. And when you come back to human-play you might feel a little bit better, by not dying asap. This is only one part of training. Of course, opening prep, chess understanding, tactical eye and others are also important in training.

But that is not the point here. What matters first is how the idea is applied not what is being applied but what being applied also plays a factor on what matters first. Consistency also matters. What you "need" should be prioritized, it must be untouched and the less needed stuff is in your hands, humans who believe free will may say. But it really isn't on your hand on the deterministic point of view. Did I go off-topic? Okay I'll go back, sorry.

What actually matters first is staying alive. May all live life with a good perspective of the cosmos.

@Funkmaus I think I make a point here. You too make a point, I rarely play with the engine because I get impatient most of the times but sometimes when I tried, my gameplay changes. I am not inviting you to play, and no pressure made. Just saying, it may not be completely useless battling against afterall. The player just have to be on the right mood :)

#27 by @tpr Yeah, one of the ways, one of the parts of training. Be sure to be willing to play(LOSE) with the engine before playing with it or else it will just frustrate you or make you impatient or anxious or whatsoever. The thing is, when playing the computer, I tend to "try-not-to-die-asap" or "try-to-withstand" and it helps. By trying to withstand, I will try to be more attentive to death threats and others. Copy the death threats, development speed, defending ideas and so on. What you gain or lose while playing with the engine is highly dependent on what you went there for. And when you come back to human-play you might feel a little bit better, by not dying asap. This is only one part of training. Of course, opening prep, chess understanding, tactical eye and others are also important in training. But that is not the point here. What matters first is how the idea is applied not what is being applied but what being applied also plays a factor on what matters first. Consistency also matters. What you "need" should be prioritized, it must be untouched and the less needed stuff is in your hands, humans who believe free will may say. But it really isn't on your hand on the deterministic point of view. Did I go off-topic? Okay I'll go back, sorry. What actually matters first is staying alive. May all live life with a good perspective of the cosmos. @Funkmaus I think I make a point here. You too make a point, I rarely play with the engine because I get impatient most of the times but sometimes when I tried, my gameplay changes. I am not inviting you to play, and no pressure made. Just saying, it may not be completely useless battling against afterall. The player just have to be on the right mood :)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, dear @Zinner_Override!
Well, I have no fun to play for "survive as long as possible" - I want to have a realistic chance to win.
Also, this is completely offtopic - the OP has never challenged me - I guess our timezones simply dont match to play. :<

I am not superstitious but I think this thread is jinxed. :-0
I wont write here anymore - yesterday, after making a comment that engine show me the things I miss and how I fail to convert for example a +11 advantage, I got to play 2 GMs in the Q-League.
I was winning against one of them, engine says +12,8 but I messed it up and it was a draw which is actually a success...

https://lichess.org/msi3i6ZU/white#0

You guys should join a team in the Q-League, there are a lot of teams in higher divisions who are open for all players and you will get a chance to face titled players in that amazing competition.
Good skills and best of luck to you all - see you there, on our virtual board :-)

Thanks for sharing your thoughts, dear @Zinner_Override! Well, I have no fun to play for "survive as long as possible" - I want to have a realistic chance to win. Also, this is completely offtopic - the OP has never challenged me - I guess our timezones simply dont match to play. :< I am not superstitious but I think this thread is jinxed. :-0 I wont write here anymore - yesterday, after making a comment that engine show me the things I miss and how I fail to convert for example a +11 advantage, I got to play 2 GMs in the Q-League. I was winning against one of them, engine says +12,8 but I messed it up and it was a draw which is actually a success... https://lichess.org/msi3i6ZU/white#0 You guys should join a team in the Q-League, there are a lot of teams in higher divisions who are open for all players and you will get a chance to face titled players in that amazing competition. Good skills and best of luck to you all - see you there, on our virtual board :-)

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