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@myocarditis
but why would you think an endgame down a pawn is equal?
regardless of it tacticaly not working, it's also bad strategicaly.
just take a look at the board. who has more pieces out? white 3>2. so if anyone has the right to dictate the battlefield, it's them.
d5 acts as a door opener for your opponent, now you invite in more people than you can deal with.

@myocarditis but why would you think an endgame down a pawn is equal? regardless of it tacticaly not working, it's also bad strategicaly. just take a look at the board. who has more pieces out? white 3>2. so if anyone has the right to dictate the battlefield, it's them. d5 acts as a door opener for your opponent, now you invite in more people than you can deal with.

Mrchess78

#22

@myocarditis take a look at the opening explorer and click on a previously played game from the position that you have shown and observe how higher rated players have approached the position and then try to understand their ideas and reasons for their next move and build on that. ( but obviously don't mindlessly copy them).

tixem75

#23

I'll tell you a story about someone very talented quitting chess.

So he was my friend back ago. He was very intelligent not like you who self describes himself 'i aM vErY iNteLiGent" but that many of his teachers would think so. He never needed to study like other kids who sits for hours. He was quite lazy as well but he was a extreme fast learner. That's his talent I told about above. He was very fast at learning and if he missed any class he could easily recover it. So like yeah after watching the queens gambit you know that popular movie he became quite interested in learning chess. And you woudnt believe it he actually didn't need much time to become good with the pieces but he still struggled to beat 1200 players or like that. He read some books, practised tactics and soon enough be became near 1400-1500. And here he was in this rating for a long time. He would play bullet chess rather then slow because he liked it more. So as time went by he became more serious about chess and planned to reach 2000 before the next year. Somehow he coudnt due to him playing too much bullet and blitz so yeah for about a year of training he managed to get 1700 which I think quite good for someone completely newbie to 1700 in a year. That's very impressive. But yeah like after that he became to doubt whether he just wasted his time on it. But somehow he was still motivated to learn chess and to reach 2000 but eventually he lost the interest and thought he would do something more meaningful. So yeah after like 1.4 years of playing he thought he would just quit it cuz he lost interest in it and now he is studying astronomy

If you don't like chess don't play it. Chess isnt for intelligent ass people. Nakamura himself has an IQ of 102. But still somehow he manages to draw against 190 IQ Magnus which clearly proves chess has nothing to do with intelligence

I'll tell you a story about someone very talented quitting chess. So he was my friend back ago. He was very intelligent not like you who self describes himself 'i aM vErY iNteLiGent" but that many of his teachers would think so. He never needed to study like other kids who sits for hours. He was quite lazy as well but he was a extreme fast learner. That's his talent I told about above. He was very fast at learning and if he missed any class he could easily recover it. So like yeah after watching the queens gambit you know that popular movie he became quite interested in learning chess. And you woudnt believe it he actually didn't need much time to become good with the pieces but he still struggled to beat 1200 players or like that. He read some books, practised tactics and soon enough be became near 1400-1500. And here he was in this rating for a long time. He would play bullet chess rather then slow because he liked it more. So as time went by he became more serious about chess and planned to reach 2000 before the next year. Somehow he coudnt due to him playing too much bullet and blitz so yeah for about a year of training he managed to get 1700 which I think quite good for someone completely newbie to 1700 in a year. That's very impressive. But yeah like after that he became to doubt whether he just wasted his time on it. But somehow he was still motivated to learn chess and to reach 2000 but eventually he lost the interest and thought he would do something more meaningful. So yeah after like 1.4 years of playing he thought he would just quit it cuz he lost interest in it and now he is studying astronomy If you don't like chess don't play it. Chess isnt for intelligent ass people. Nakamura himself has an IQ of 102. But still somehow he manages to draw against 190 IQ Magnus which clearly proves chess has nothing to do with intelligence

Angarr

#24

you are doing tactical mistakes
you are missing important middle game and end game theory
and last but not least, you are always the one to blame for the losses and no1 else

you are doing tactical mistakes you are missing important middle game and end game theory and last but not least, you are always the one to blame for the losses and no1 else

I_wont_cry edited

#25

Chess is 90% talent and 10% deep study. If you're a natural chess-born player, you will reach FIDE FM (2300) easily. After that point, besides talent, you will need to dedicate yourself to studying chess eight hours per day. If you're not a talented player, as you well said the 99% of us are, with many efforts by your side, i.e. studying lots of hours and with many years, perhaps you will reach the FIDE 2000 ELO threshold. And if you're a bit lazy or just simply you don't want to dedicate four or five hours per day to study chess and just want to play some casual games on the Internet, well, in that case, perhaps after many years you would reach de 1700 FIDE (around 2000 in Lichess).

Also, chess requires the player to have a huge memory, passion for the game, ambition, hard (very much) work, patience, strong character, fighting spirit, personality, confidence .... and so on, so forth.

So, I highly recommend you to forget all that silly commercials on the Internet saying that you, with a bit of study and, of course, buying some videos, and blah, blah, will become a very powerful chess player, almost a titled player. Well, it's just a commercial, they want to sell their products. If they tell the truth, you just simply won't buy their products.

So, relax, have fun with chess, play unrated games at most, just focus on what you're good at and enjoy chess from a no-demanding point of view.

If you're unable to do that, just try other games because otherwise will be very frustrating.

Regards and keep pushing.

Chess is 90% talent and 10% deep study. If you're a natural chess-born player, you will reach FIDE FM (2300) easily. After that point, besides talent, you will need to dedicate yourself to studying chess eight hours per day. If you're not a talented player, as you well said the 99% of us are, with many efforts by your side, i.e. studying lots of hours and with many years, perhaps you will reach the FIDE 2000 ELO threshold. And if you're a bit lazy or just simply you don't want to dedicate four or five hours per day to study chess and just want to play some casual games on the Internet, well, in that case, perhaps after many years you would reach de 1700 FIDE (around 2000 in Lichess). Also, chess requires the player to have a huge memory, passion for the game, ambition, hard (very much) work, patience, strong character, fighting spirit, personality, confidence .... and so on, so forth. So, I highly recommend you to forget all that silly commercials on the Internet saying that you, with a bit of study and, of course, buying some videos, and blah, blah, will become a very powerful chess player, almost a titled player. Well, it's just a commercial, they want to sell their products. If they tell the truth, you just simply won't buy their products. So, relax, have fun with chess, play unrated games at most, just focus on what you're good at and enjoy chess from a no-demanding point of view. If you're unable to do that, just try other games because otherwise will be very frustrating. Regards and keep pushing.

Druismat

#26

If its depressing its not your cookie, to me chess is Poetry in Motion and I am in love with the game since I was 8. Thats 45 years now. I think that joy is the key here and if you do not enjoy it, forget it...

hicetnunc

#27

#1 It sounds like chess isn't for you, and it would be wise to just stop playing. Won't make you a bad person : there are plenty of great people who don't play chess.

#28

pointlesswindows

#29

@myocarditis said in #1:

...I feel like we've been sold a lie by Youtubers

I guess I am just feeling so disillusioned right now, the other thing is half of the coaching resources out there etc are just money-grabbing schemes aimed at selling you this idea that you'll get good...

It is a big lie that everybody can be a master at anything. The propaganda of success is like a disease these days. Then the disillusion comes, which ca be painful. You realise that you will never be a concert pianist, famous singer, boxing champion, olympic medalist, noble prize winner or... a chess master. Stop and think. Don't believe youtubers. People are different.

In chess you need to find your place. Just like in life. You don't have to be successful to be alive. It is all bs propaganda of the mass media.

@myocarditis said in #1: > ...I feel like we've been sold a lie by Youtubers > > I guess I am just feeling so disillusioned right now, the other thing is half of the coaching resources out there etc are just money-grabbing schemes aimed at selling you this idea that you'll get good... It is a big lie that everybody can be a master at anything. The propaganda of success is like a disease these days. Then the disillusion comes, which ca be painful. You realise that you will never be a concert pianist, famous singer, boxing champion, olympic medalist, noble prize winner or... a chess master. Stop and think. Don't believe youtubers. People are different. In chess you need to find your place. Just like in life. You don't have to be successful to be alive. It is all bs propaganda of the mass media.

myocarditis

#30

@pointlesswindows said in #29:

It is a big lie that everybody can be a master at anything. The propaganda of success is like a disease these days. Then the disillusion comes, which ca be painful. You realise that you will never be a concert pianist, famous singer, boxing champion, olympic medalist, noble prize winner or... a chess master. Stop and think. Don't believe youtubers. People are different.

In chess you need to find your place. Just like in life. You don't have to be successful to be alive. It is all bs propaganda of the mass media.

I feel like you hit the nail on the head here. We have been promised a quick fix, instant gratification, or some self worth but it is just a product for sale. There are 8 billion people on this planet so it's nearly impossible to be special or important.

@pointlesswindows said in #29: > It is a big lie that everybody can be a master at anything. The propaganda of success is like a disease these days. Then the disillusion comes, which ca be painful. You realise that you will never be a concert pianist, famous singer, boxing champion, olympic medalist, noble prize winner or... a chess master. Stop and think. Don't believe youtubers. People are different. > > In chess you need to find your place. Just like in life. You don't have to be successful to be alive. It is all bs propaganda of the mass media. I feel like you hit the nail on the head here. We have been promised a quick fix, instant gratification, or some self worth but it is just a product for sale. There are 8 billion people on this planet so it's nearly impossible to be special or important.