germans are very very cold analystics.

mostly at # 11 , 13 ,19 & @tpr

if so many famous chessman of 1900-1960 were (allegedly) jewish , why in 1948 , 50ties ,60ties
they didnt move in or play for state of Israel.... Roughly, none of (at least)30 biggest names ,perhaps...

Regardless of some % of j.descent they more feel like citizens of countries where they live,
from families asimilated for long time and often ashamed of being linked,compared to real= religious jews...
-surely its case of Botvinnik

Only poor GMs from CCCP later- from 70ties till today "found their J-ness" to earn more , it helps in this world...
just like powerfull team of Katar or Bahrain in running is filled 100% with Africans who "found ..."

wait , isn't US chess team filled with ..... "who found.." ...
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"fucked up time for sure " current plandemic time is & will be fucked up much more ...
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web.archive.org/web/20130117135615/http://www.chessville.com/misc/History/PastPawns/KlausJunge_ForgottenTalent.htm

CM KnifeF5Master

#22

@Sarg0n I know his original birth name, but he declares himself as Christian, AFAIK.

Ladybug2019 edited

#23

Every one can be the best chess player,in any kind of contrys!!:)

tpr

#24

#19 Kasparov's father Kim Moiseyevich Weinstein was Jewish.
I mean Jewish as to descent and tradition, not religion.
Fischer had a Jewish mother and a German father, and did not play on Saturdays for religious reasons, though he later became antisemite.
#21 More Jews live outside of Israel than inside. Not all inhabitants of Israel are Jewish.
It seems that chess, science, and classical music fit well with the Jewish tradition and values.
Polgar (also Jewish) offered his 3 daughters a choice between getting excellent in either chess, mathematics, or classical music. They all three chose chess.
#23 Yes of course, the present World Champion is Norwegian, the previous one an Indian. Nevertheless Germany was the dominant chess nation before World War II and the Soviet Union resp. Russia became the dominant chess nation after World War II.

FM royalblue04

#25

If germans would be cold analytics VW would not exist anymore....

And the "Deutscher Schachbund" would have a concept how chess could be played during the pandemie with wooden boards and pieces... and not tried to make concepts for online chess....

Cezrun64 edited

#26

# 24 if "I mean Jewish as to descent and tradition, not religion."

descent , even in 1/2 1/4 1/8 over religion/tradition or self-declaration(Robert Fisher case) it's german nazi criterion - Nuremburg Law (by the way praised by othodox religious jews then)

Plenty of Poles having small % of j.descent , catholics speaking only polish , were by jewish elders pointed out to Germans to be moved into ghettos under Kahal jurisdiction , catholics bishops refused to give to Germans any lists of Mischlings
, but jews from kahals provided eagerily own lists f.i. whose (grand)grandfather changed denomination/faith 100 years ago....

In Europe 1900-1950 most 'jews' were= 1)religious - and poor - they mostly were killed by nazi ,
2) assimilated , educated
3) leftists of all kinds
only in 4) came Zionists , willing to create own Jewish Nation in own State ,
they were hated and despised by 1) 2) and 3) alike ....

most strong chessmen came from 2) and 3) not from real jews 1) or 4)

and now in 2010-2020 which top GMs self declare themselfs as Jews , esp. observing religion/tradition , none lives in Israel - it's significant....
maybe chess "fit well with the Jewish tradition and values" is not true , China , India GMs proved it , (Poland also constantly is above team of Israel in Olimpiads ...)

now we are suposed to respect self declaration of any LGBTXXXXXXX + of one's sex , but refuse to respect Robert Fisher version who he is ? R U respecting Nuremburg Law ?

CM Sarg0n