assumptions that more compressed is better underlying recent posts about which is better.
i prefer a bloated sequence of FENs, or better yet the sequence of the position pictures... right there 2D with my instant eye gaze flash chunk.
then I would still like to look at even more exploded data using an even wider scope of vision (using computer tools of course), with databases of sequences of basic input vectors.
Why should FEN include the sequence of FEN information into one chunk? for compression, a description of a chess game is better it if it easier to cram into a silicon based memory or transmitted across limited bandwidth. and we always prefer to increase the amount of chunks to fit increased bandwidth, so that any attempt at "redundancy" in sequential signal is waste.
that may be true, but if one wants to share chess ideas, i think the sequential redundancy becomes a bonus taking advantage of the cognitive parallelism of vision in wet brains. tapping on its speed because not pseudo parallel, full parallel....
@dboing could you further elaborate on this specific part?
"assumptions that more compressed is better underlying recent posts about which is better.
i prefer a bloated sequence of FENs, or better yet the sequence of the position pictures... right there 2D with my instant eye gaze flash chunk.
then I would still like to look at even more exploded data using an even wider scope of vision (using computer tools of course), with databases of sequences of basic input vectors.
Why should FEN include the sequence of FEN information into one chunk? for compression, a description of a chess game is better it if it easier to cram into a silicon based memory or transmitted across limited bandwidth. and we always prefer to increase the amount of chunks to fit increased bandwidth, so that any attempt at "redundancy" in sequential signal is waste.
that may be true, but if one wants to share chess ideas, i think the sequential redundancy becomes a bonus taking advantage of the cognitive parallelism of vision in wet brains. tapping on its speed because not pseudo parallel, full parallel...."
@Long_Quach
#5
I use the FEN description of a position on almost a daily basis.
For instance, I can find any position contained in my collection of Chessable books - or any Chessable book, for that matter - simply by loading the position's FEN into Chessable's opening explorer. Needless to say, the same can be done for opening positions with the opening explorer provided by this platform and probably all others, certainly the handful I frequent.
This is incredibly useful, for obvious reasons. Complex middlegame positions may be treated in a Chessable book or one can study particular variations of just about any opening simply by plugin the FEN into the platform's opening explorer. I can even share a bunch of puzzles with a friend simply by sending the FEN's of each one of them in a text or e-mail.
Furthermore, I can share any position I want with another person without having to send a PGN file and tell that person which move to go to. This can be for analysis purposes or simply to start a game from a specific position for training purposes.
1 Nf3 Nf6 2 Nc3 Nc6 3 Nd4 Nd5 3 Ne4 Ne5 4 Ng5 Ng4 5 Nb5 Nb4 6 Nh3 Nh6 7 Na3 Na6 7 Ng1 Ng8 8 Nb1 Nb8
9 Nf3 Nf6 10 Nc3 Nc6 11 Nd4 Nd5 12 Ne4 Ne5 13 Ng5 Ng4 14 Nb5 Nb4 15 Nh3 Nh6 16 Na3 Na6 17 Ng1 Ng8 18 Nb1 Nb8
Threefold repetition: hard to see from PGN, easy while 3 FEN are identical.
#31 thanks for the spamming of my posts... making sure it says on each page, it is thoughtful.
@dboing what is it?
@dboing What are you hiding?
i have ze microfilm, if that is what you really want?
In
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/2009/2009.03193.pdf
Look at appendix A for a picture of Forsyth and an example of what his notation looked like originally.
Also some historical notes on him.
The article may be of interest also. See VI.CONCLUSIONS.
@dboing Yes, you really currently have a microfilm all over you. Nothing comes in, nothing goes out.
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