chess quotes

... they are basically like athlets, cant imagine they
are smoking all day unless they given up on striving.
With ~1500 grandmasters, it doesn't seem likely that an accurate picture is created by thinking in terms of "given up" and not "given up".

@ineedthedough said in #20: > ... they are basically like athlets, cant imagine they > are smoking all day unless they given up on striving. With ~1500 grandmasters, it doesn't seem likely that an accurate picture is created by thinking in terms of "given up" and not "given up".

ineedthedough

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@kindaspongey said in #21:

With ~1500 grandmasters, it doesn't seem likely that an accurate picture is created by thinking in terms of "given up" and not "given up".

Its my opinion at least.

@kindaspongey said in #21: > With ~1500 grandmasters, it doesn't seem likely that an accurate picture is created by thinking in terms of "given up" and not "given up". Its my opinion at least.

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@ineedthedough said in #22:

... Its my opinion at least.
And I posted the comment of GM John Nunn.
"... The life of many grandmasters is perhaps not what the average club player imagines. ..." - GM John Nunn (1997)

@ineedthedough said in #22: > ... Its my opinion at least. And I posted the comment of GM John Nunn. "... The life of many grandmasters is perhaps not what the average club player imagines. ..." - GM John Nunn (1997)

ineedthedough

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@kindaspongey said in #23:

And I posted the comment of GM John Nunn.
OK you win

@kindaspongey said in #23: > And I posted the comment of GM John Nunn. OK you win

Back to chess quotes...

“The chessboard is the world, the pieces are the phenomena of the Universe, the rules of the game are what we call the laws of Nature and the player on the other side is hidden from us” – Thomas Huxley

Back to chess quotes... “The chessboard is the world, the pieces are the phenomena of the Universe, the rules of the game are what we call the laws of Nature and the player on the other side is hidden from us” – Thomas Huxley

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@EmaciatedSpaniard said in #26:

Back to chess quotes...

“The chessboard is the world, the pieces are the phenomena of the Universe, the rules of the game are what we call the laws of Nature and the player on the other side is hidden from us” – Thomas Huxley

Interesting.. but the world and the 'laws of nature' are much more complex and they are to be discovered, while the rules of chess are simple enough and meant to define a world. So, what is hidden, when the rules are completely known? What the rules are doing. But the player on the other side is not hidden from us any more than anybody else. So this grand twist in the quote- who is the player on the other side of the universe?- is not supported from chess- we are just chess players metaphysically untroubled. Chess rules were made up by people, while the laws of nature need not be made up at all. If Gods made them up and play, they know each other as well as we know each other, and then there is nothing hidden for them except what is in the combinatory depths of the laws' doings, like for us. But if they don't know each other, then they are not playing, they are just somehow doing the universe, unlike we play chess.
To play chess, in a way, we must be the pieces, but the pieces are us. Chess is playing in this theatre. Consciousness and agency are physics and metaphysics enough, we need not imagine players hidden. Let's keep it as simple as possible. Let no 'we are but chess pieces on a giant board' hi-jack chess. As far as we are chess pieces on a giant board, we can coordinate as troupes, speaking our tongues. And we can 'be played' by our opponents only as much as we can be played by our opponents on the chess board- nothing hidden here beyond our reason.

Chess quotes, my top three are Morphy's 'gentleman'-quote, Tartakowers 'best move'-quote and also Akiba Rubinstein's: 'Tonight, I am playing against the black pieces.'

@EmaciatedSpaniard said in #26: > Back to chess quotes... > > “The chessboard is the world, the pieces are the phenomena of the Universe, the rules of the game are what we call the laws of Nature and the player on the other side is hidden from us” – Thomas Huxley Interesting.. but the world and the 'laws of nature' are much more complex and they are to be discovered, while the rules of chess are simple enough and meant to define a world. So, what is hidden, when the rules are completely known? What the rules are doing. But the player on the other side is not hidden from us any more than anybody else. So this grand twist in the quote- who is the player on the other side of the universe?- is not supported from chess- we are just chess players metaphysically untroubled. Chess rules were made up by people, while the laws of nature need not be made up at all. If Gods made them up and play, they know each other as well as we know each other, and then there is nothing hidden for them except what is in the combinatory depths of the laws' doings, like for us. But if they don't know each other, then they are not playing, they are just somehow doing the universe, unlike we play chess. To play chess, in a way, we must be the pieces, but the pieces are us. Chess is playing in this theatre. Consciousness and agency are physics and metaphysics enough, we need not imagine players hidden. Let's keep it as simple as possible. Let no 'we are but chess pieces on a giant board' hi-jack chess. As far as we are chess pieces on a giant board, we can coordinate as troupes, speaking our tongues. And we can 'be played' by our opponents only as much as we can be played by our opponents on the chess board- nothing hidden here beyond our reason. Chess quotes, my top three are Morphy's 'gentleman'-quote, Tartakowers 'best move'-quote and also Akiba Rubinstein's: 'Tonight, I am playing against the black pieces.'

NM ThunderClap

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I like these quotes' . S Tartakower ... I sacrifice my Opponent's Pieces . Emanuel Lasker "The Principle Of Justice in Chess . Lies & Hypocrisy do not survive long on the chessboard ... The bare combination exposes them & bares facts ( We might have to look up the Original quote here heh' @aKolLI2

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@ungewichtet said in #27:

... my top three are Morphy's 'gentleman'-quote, ...
There does not seem to be any record of Morphy actually saying it. In view of Morphy being recognized as the world’s best player before his 22nd birthday, it does not seem likely that he thought a life, wasted or otherwise, was required in order to be able to play chess well.
Lawson's Morphy biography mentions that Morphy DID say:
"A word now on the game itself. Chess has never been and never can be aught but a recreation. It should not be indulged it to the detriment of other and more serious avocations - should not absorb the mind or engross the thoughts of those who worship at its shrine; but should be kept in the background and restrained within its proper province. As a mere game, a relaxation from the severer pursuits of life, it is deserving of high commendation. It is not only the most delightful and scientific, but the most moral of amusements. Unlike other games in which lucre is the end and the aim of the contestants, it recommends itself to the wise by the fact that its mimic battles are fought for no prize but honor. It is eminently and emphatically the philosopher's game. Let the chessboard supercede the card table, and a great improvement will be visible in the morals of the community."
On another occasion, Morphy wrote:
"Besides, you will remember that as far back as two years ago I stated to you in New York my firm determination to abandon chess altogether. I am more strongly confirmed than ever in the belief that the time devoted to chess is literally frittered away. It is, to be sure, a most exhilarating sport, but it is only a sport; and it is not to be wondered at that such as have been passionately addicted to the charming pastime should one day ask themselves whether sober reason does not advise its utter dereliction. I have, for my own part, resolved not to be moved from my purpose of not engaging in chess hereafter."
It seems to me to be likely that someone confused Morphy with an anonymous comment about billiards that has sometimes been attributed to Herbert Spencer: "Moderate skill in billiards implies a certain amount of mental capacity, but such skill as you have displayed is clear evidence of a misspent youth."

@ungewichtet said in #27: > ... my top three are Morphy's 'gentleman'-quote, ... There does not seem to be any record of Morphy actually saying it. In view of Morphy being recognized as the world’s best player before his 22nd birthday, it does not seem likely that he thought a life, wasted or otherwise, was required in order to be able to play chess well. Lawson's Morphy biography mentions that Morphy DID say: "A word now on the game itself. Chess has never been and never can be aught but a recreation. It should not be indulged it to the detriment of other and more serious avocations - should not absorb the mind or engross the thoughts of those who worship at its shrine; but should be kept in the background and restrained within its proper province. As a mere game, a relaxation from the severer pursuits of life, it is deserving of high commendation. It is not only the most delightful and scientific, but the most moral of amusements. Unlike other games in which lucre is the end and the aim of the contestants, it recommends itself to the wise by the fact that its mimic battles are fought for no prize but honor. It is eminently and emphatically the philosopher's game. Let the chessboard supercede the card table, and a great improvement will be visible in the morals of the community." On another occasion, Morphy wrote: "Besides, you will remember that as far back as two years ago I stated to you in New York my firm determination to abandon chess altogether. I am more strongly confirmed than ever in the belief that the time devoted to chess is literally frittered away. It is, to be sure, a most exhilarating sport, but it is only a sport; and it is not to be wondered at that such as have been passionately addicted to the charming pastime should one day ask themselves whether sober reason does not advise its utter dereliction. I have, for my own part, resolved not to be moved from my purpose of not engaging in chess hereafter." It seems to me to be likely that someone confused Morphy with an anonymous comment about billiards that has sometimes been attributed to Herbert Spencer: "Moderate skill in billiards implies a certain amount of mental capacity, but such skill as you have displayed is clear evidence of a misspent youth."

kindaspongey

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@ThunderClap said in #28:

... Emanuel Lasker ... ( We might have to look up the Original quote here heh' @aKolLI2
"... whereas the game of chess is rather well understood by half a dozen masters and fairly comprehended by a few dozen lesser masters and -- say -- a thousand amateurs, our social intercourse is, alas! not conducted by masters, nor even by near-masters, not even by any comparable in skill and insight to those thousand amateurs. ... a word is needed to distinguish the peculiar attitude of the chess master, who, in dealing with his pieces of wood, is not led astray by any outside interests. ...
Principle of justice! Thou art a power effective in history in spite of all that has been done to thee by the army of liars, that want to hurt thee, yet have to play the hypocrite, for the people instinctively love thee. Hypocrisy is tribute paid to thee by thine enemies. ...
On the chessboard lies and hypocrisy do not survive long. The creative combination lays bare the presumption of a lie; the merciless fact, culminating in a checkmate, contradicts the hypocrite. ... many a man, struck by injustice ..., has found justice realized on the chess board and has thereby recovered his courage and his vitality to continue to play the game of life. ..." - Emanual Lasker (~1925)

@ThunderClap said in #28: > ... Emanuel Lasker ... ( We might have to look up the Original quote here heh' @aKolLI2 "... whereas the game of chess is rather well understood by half a dozen masters and fairly comprehended by a few dozen lesser masters and -- say -- a thousand amateurs, our social intercourse is, alas! not conducted by masters, nor even by near-masters, not even by any comparable in skill and insight to those thousand amateurs. ... a word is needed to distinguish the peculiar attitude of the chess master, who, in dealing with his pieces of wood, is not led astray by any outside interests. ... Principle of justice! Thou art a power effective in history in spite of all that has been done to thee by the army of liars, that want to hurt thee, yet have to play the hypocrite, for the people instinctively love thee. Hypocrisy is tribute paid to thee by thine enemies. ... On the chessboard lies and hypocrisy do not survive long. The creative combination lays bare the presumption of a lie; the merciless fact, culminating in a checkmate, contradicts the hypocrite. ... many a man, struck by injustice ..., has found justice realized on the chess board and has thereby recovered his courage and his vitality to continue to play the game of life. ..." - Emanual Lasker (~1925)

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