Chess isn't chess unless the time control is at least 60mins with 30 second increment • page 3/3 • General Chess Discussion • lichess.org

"Top players are no scientists, they didn't hold any experiments to support that point, it's all only their opinions. The biggest counter-example is Hikaru Nakamura. Go tell that guy blitz and bullet are bad for his chess."

Razor, thats completely ridiculous, if anything top players have the most credibility and forms the highest sample size to make these judgements. Their whole life is chess. You obviously don't study science if you think only lab-only experiments can constitute evidence.

"Top players are no scientists, they didn't hold any experiments to support that point, it's all only their opinions. The biggest counter-example is Hikaru Nakamura. Go tell that guy blitz and bullet are bad for his chess." Razor, thats completely ridiculous, if anything top players have the most credibility and forms the highest sample size to make these judgements. Their whole life is chess. You obviously don't study science if you think only lab-only experiments can constitute evidence.

jimj12

#22

Squishy, that is equally ridiculous. If these guys have spent their whole life on chess, don't you think it would be in their best interest to promote the type of chess (slow) that they make a living from? That subtracts hugely from their credibility.

And, you are missing the point. If a leading doctor said it is their opinion that vaccines cause autism, would that constitute scientific evidence? You seem to think so.

Squishy, that is equally ridiculous. If these guys have spent their whole life on chess, don't you think it would be in their best interest to promote the type of chess (slow) that they make a living from? That subtracts hugely from their credibility. And, you are missing the point. If a leading doctor said it is their opinion that vaccines cause autism, would that constitute scientific evidence? You seem to think so.

Masquerade

#23

@CM Squishy At least I took the time to make the quotes readable.

NewMeta

#24

There is no denying that classical chess requires different skills from blitz and bullet chess. As such, it makes sense that top players don't take faster time controls that seriously. Why would they? All the tournaments that matter to them are played with classical time controls. All they need to do is get good at classical chess. I would not be surprised if playing a lot of blitz or bullet chess is not beneficial to improving or maintaining your classical chess skills. This explains why it's not hard to find quotes from top players dismissing blitz and bullet chess.

This however does not mean that faster time controls are 'not chess'. It also does not make them inferior. It's not hard to imagine a world where all the top tournaments are played in fast time controls. In such a world, practicing classical chess would be just as meaningless (or useful, depending on your position) for top players as practicing blitz and bullet are for the top players in our world.

In short, play what you like and be mindful of what you want to actually get good at.

There is no denying that classical chess requires different skills from blitz and bullet chess. As such, it makes sense that top players don't take faster time controls that seriously. Why would they? All the tournaments that matter to them are played with classical time controls. All they need to do is get good at classical chess. I would not be surprised if playing a lot of blitz or bullet chess is not beneficial to improving or maintaining your classical chess skills. This explains why it's not hard to find quotes from top players dismissing blitz and bullet chess. This however does not mean that faster time controls are 'not chess'. It also does not make them inferior. It's not hard to imagine a world where all the top tournaments are played in fast time controls. In such a world, practicing classical chess would be just as meaningless (or useful, depending on your position) for top players as practicing blitz and bullet are for the top players in our world. In short, play what you like and be mindful of what you want to actually get good at.