@Cedur216 said in #20:
> and so do also some on Lichess. I would prefer to not have any discussion on which site catches cheaters better
He begun with that fakenews.
Chess.com is so strong in marketing that "people" keep repeating that phrase.
I play on both sites and my perception is that cheaters are an untreated pandemic there.
Everyone's emotionally biased for the site they prefer better, guess what I also used to like claiming "chesscom sucks at banning cheaters", but on what rational base? Is it only bc I think there was an obvious cheater at chesscom, I reported and nothing happened? Well, that happened on Lichess too.
I think it's very hard to judge objectively.
@WorthwhileConquest28 said in #10:
> This is one I've heard of:
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> github.com/Namelecc/phalanx
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> You'll need a lichess API token for this. I haven't tested it myself. In any case, if someone is cheating, report them using the official channels. I have no idea if I can additionally mention the results of these tools as reasons for reporting so the mods can investigate using the existing tools they already use.
I did try these python scripts on my user and some other user, but i do not really understand how to read the results. It seems the more games you have the better the approximation should be towards a Gauß Bell Curve but is there an indication when there are just about 1000 games played and there are some spikes at the right end of the graph?
The text outputs are also not easy to read and I can not find an explanation of it, other than the python sources.
Had a case where my opponent blunderd the queen and from there he played flawless, which is a case where I could suspect machine help or the account was a speedrun or smurf account. How would this be distinguished with the scripts, if possible?
Anyway, interesting approach neverthless, thanks for the effort.
"I play on both sites and my perception is that cheaters are an untreated pandemic there."
i think the untreated epidemic at chess.com is ads.
The OP's question is pretty legit, it's a fair question. With that said, when you suspect, just report and move on. Life's too short to let someone else steal your time and enjoyment of this game.
Ask a friend to analyze the game with you - a strong player should be able to have a decent opinion if a game seems natural and regardless, analyzing your games improves your chess.
But really... report and move on. The Lichess cheat detection stuff IS pretty good and the Mods do their very best to root out issues.
@SomewhatUnsound said in #25:
> The OP's question is pretty legit, it's a fair question. With that said, when you suspect, just report and move on. Life's too short to let someone else steal your time and enjoyment of this game.
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> Ask a friend to analyze the game with you - a strong player should be able to have a decent opinion if a game seems natural and regardless, analyzing your games improves your chess.
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> But really... report and move on. The Lichess cheat detection stuff IS pretty good and the Mods do their very best to root out issues.
Why report at all, just move on, nobody cares about cheating anyway, unless its $ related. Its not that bad at all, everybody has to face cheaters sooner or later. Its only a problem for weaker and slower players. In spite of freedom of play there should not be any restrictions how to play, thats just dictatorship. You cant avoid playing against cheaters your whole life. The more often you play against cheaters the stronger your play will be and youre chances of surviving increase more and more because your chess immune system will be trained better and better. And even if there is a cheat detection for the older cheat tools there will be cheat tool variants which will escape the current cheat detection.
See what I just did there? Just joking of course!
PGN Spy, Irwin AI Hunter, Chessbase Let's Check.
If they played really well, chances are something's not halal.
@darKnight1d4 said in #3:
> Apparantly chess.com have the best cheat detection system
Indeed - chess.com DIDN'T have to re-ban Hans recently (without any evidence) because they were so confident that their systems would catch him out!
chess.com wouldn't know cheating if it bit them on the v****a
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