I have to agree @HellevatorOperator . People, you've got to be strong enough to push through a difficult topic. Otherwise, how are you going to succeed in life?
Do all black lives matter? Because many more black criminals kill black police officers than the other way around. Do black police officers’ lives matter? If yes, then why no protests for that?
Do police officers lives matter? Because black criminals kill police 18 times more than the other way around.
Do white lives matter? Because more whites are killed by police.
Blacks kill blacks a lot more than anyone else kills anyone else.
What happened to dangers of COVID 19 and how assembling more than 10 people means you are killing grandma and you are an irresponsible Trump supporter etc., Suddenly it’s ok to march and scream profanity 3 inches away from other people with 1029838387974 people on the same street?
Pathetic.
www.ksdk.com/article/news/crime/david-dorn-murder-man-charged/63-5ed35511-2115-4200-ba5c-b06feaedd1d8
Interesting how there are no protests for the death of that great man, but there is martyrdom and glorification of a criminal who pointed a gun at pregnant black woman’s belly, and spend years in prison over and over, did the worst drugs, and got arrested multiple times for assault and robbery. And notice who killed the great black man above, not exactly white evil racist cops.
Do police officers lives matter? Because black criminals kill police 18 times more than the other way around.
Do white lives matter? Because more whites are killed by police.
Blacks kill blacks a lot more than anyone else kills anyone else.
What happened to dangers of COVID 19 and how assembling more than 10 people means you are killing grandma and you are an irresponsible Trump supporter etc., Suddenly it’s ok to march and scream profanity 3 inches away from other people with 1029838387974 people on the same street?
Pathetic.
www.ksdk.com/article/news/crime/david-dorn-murder-man-charged/63-5ed35511-2115-4200-ba5c-b06feaedd1d8
Interesting how there are no protests for the death of that great man, but there is martyrdom and glorification of a criminal who pointed a gun at pregnant black woman’s belly, and spend years in prison over and over, did the worst drugs, and got arrested multiple times for assault and robbery. And notice who killed the great black man above, not exactly white evil racist cops.
#842
@JoJoBonnette
You provided two links. Let's look at them.
www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police-shootings-2019/
In 2019, according to this particular database, there were 405 whites shot and killed by police, and 249 blacks, out 1003. In other words, 40.3% of those killed were white, and 24.8% were black. According to Wikipedia, as of 2016 12.6% of Americans were black and 72.4% are white.
In other words, the Washington Post database you shared confirms that blacks are heavily over-represented in police shootings, and whites are heavily under-represented. if anything, this supports I fail to see how this provides counter-evidence of race-based police brutality in the USA? If anything, it supports the opposite.
Your second link: link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11292-014-9204-9
The study is a lab simulation to measure whether 48 people untrained in firearms from Spokane, Washington would be more likely to shoot black people versus other races in a simulated environment:
"Forty-eight people from the general Spokane, Washington, area were recruited through
Craigslist to participate in the study. Selection criteria were that participants had no
policing, military, or firearms experience [...]"
The problems with this experiment:
1) The respondents are all from the same city, and have no policing or firearms experience. To say that they likely behave differently than your average american police officer is an understatement..
2) The sample size is small (48 respondents)
3) Not real life data. A lab experiment is a lab experiment. It's stripped of police culture, real life pressures and incentives faced by police officers, and in general, it doesn't account for countless factors that occur in real life.
Honestly, if a small lab experiment involving only non-police officers (and all from the same town) is the best argument you have for the lack of race-based police brutality in the USA, then you're really grasping at straws.
The reality is, there is strong evidence that blacks have more encounters with the police, and that this is caused by racism (this has been shown time and again in studies, including by the one cited in #30). These are often high tension situations which lead to shootings. As for whether police officers arriving at a scene are more likely to use force against a minority, it's much harder to prove because the vast majority of data comes from police precincts themselves, and because you need to have a dataset which includes "zeros" (cases where police force was justifiable but not exercised), which is very hard to come by.
But regardless of whether police officers are more likely to shoot a black person when faced with a tense situation, they are:
1) more likely to target black people in arrests and interactions -- ultimately leading in higher rates of brutality against blacks
2) unlikely to be prosecuted when committing a violent crime
The result in systemic racism causing blacks to be murdered and brutalised by police at a higher rate, and police officers not facing consequences.
@JoJoBonnette
You provided two links. Let's look at them.
www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police-shootings-2019/
In 2019, according to this particular database, there were 405 whites shot and killed by police, and 249 blacks, out 1003. In other words, 40.3% of those killed were white, and 24.8% were black. According to Wikipedia, as of 2016 12.6% of Americans were black and 72.4% are white.
In other words, the Washington Post database you shared confirms that blacks are heavily over-represented in police shootings, and whites are heavily under-represented. if anything, this supports I fail to see how this provides counter-evidence of race-based police brutality in the USA? If anything, it supports the opposite.
Your second link: link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s11292-014-9204-9
The study is a lab simulation to measure whether 48 people untrained in firearms from Spokane, Washington would be more likely to shoot black people versus other races in a simulated environment:
"Forty-eight people from the general Spokane, Washington, area were recruited through
Craigslist to participate in the study. Selection criteria were that participants had no
policing, military, or firearms experience [...]"
The problems with this experiment:
1) The respondents are all from the same city, and have no policing or firearms experience. To say that they likely behave differently than your average american police officer is an understatement..
2) The sample size is small (48 respondents)
3) Not real life data. A lab experiment is a lab experiment. It's stripped of police culture, real life pressures and incentives faced by police officers, and in general, it doesn't account for countless factors that occur in real life.
Honestly, if a small lab experiment involving only non-police officers (and all from the same town) is the best argument you have for the lack of race-based police brutality in the USA, then you're really grasping at straws.
The reality is, there is strong evidence that blacks have more encounters with the police, and that this is caused by racism (this has been shown time and again in studies, including by the one cited in #30). These are often high tension situations which lead to shootings. As for whether police officers arriving at a scene are more likely to use force against a minority, it's much harder to prove because the vast majority of data comes from police precincts themselves, and because you need to have a dataset which includes "zeros" (cases where police force was justifiable but not exercised), which is very hard to come by.
But regardless of whether police officers are more likely to shoot a black person when faced with a tense situation, they are:
1) more likely to target black people in arrests and interactions -- ultimately leading in higher rates of brutality against blacks
2) unlikely to be prosecuted when committing a violent crime
The result in systemic racism causing blacks to be murdered and brutalised by police at a higher rate, and police officers not facing consequences.
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I try not to be cavelier about important issues and events, but this thread somewhat amuses me. There's something absurd about it all...the viciousness and tenacity people exhibit in defense of their opinions online.
Now maybe I'll try my hand at serious talk.
"Black lives matter," is always a true statement. It is not always situationally appropriate.
"All lives matter," is always a true statement. It is not aways situationally appropriate.
There are problematic politics behind EVERY social justice slogan. No exceptions. But pointing out that a slogan is true and relevant doesn't mean you support the politics of the people who made it popular. I think that's what Lichess is doing.
Did they jump on a bandwagon? Perhaps. Did they act in good faith? Given the track record of the Lichess team, I have absolutely no doubt that they acted in good faith.
Now maybe I'll try my hand at serious talk.
"Black lives matter," is always a true statement. It is not always situationally appropriate.
"All lives matter," is always a true statement. It is not aways situationally appropriate.
There are problematic politics behind EVERY social justice slogan. No exceptions. But pointing out that a slogan is true and relevant doesn't mean you support the politics of the people who made it popular. I think that's what Lichess is doing.
Did they jump on a bandwagon? Perhaps. Did they act in good faith? Given the track record of the Lichess team, I have absolutely no doubt that they acted in good faith.
Gobblegooble
There are more black criminals, so they get shot more in that stat you referred to. They have more encounters with police because they are more likely to be violent criminals. Simple stuff.
There are more black criminals, so they get shot more in that stat you referred to. They have more encounters with police because they are more likely to be violent criminals. Simple stuff.
It still matters.
What does this have to do with police violence? @Kusokosla
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