I think I figured out why he put that support us pop up, He was trying to hide the bottom of pieces, because it would only show green felt, i analyzed the 2nd video many times he slipped up with The bishop and queen at 3.32 seconds to 3.40. I managed to pause the video and get some screen shots that are pretty convincing and showed only green. Can I post pictures to this thread somehow?
I was really board (ha!) so i watched the questionable video and couldn't see anything odd at first. There was one move by the board where it is moving the captured knight next to the A-file to make room for a captured pawn and it seemed to stop and start moving again (and it did) but other than that all the lighting looked consistent from move to move so i couldn't really identify anything obvious, But i did notice one thing. Every time the human player made his move the board always only responded after the players hand was out the frame, and when there was no perceivable shadow effect from human player moving his hand.
So, i figured, if the video is faked then it could be that the fakery requires complete consistency of lighting for it to be harder to notice. And if that's the case then there would be a correlation between how long the human hand/shadow was in the frame and how long it takes the board to make its move.
Now I have neither the skills nor the patience to test forensically the precise lighting for every frame, but i can soft of count. And i have two working eyes, so instead what i did was make a note of every move made, human and Regium, and see if there was a correlation i could identify.
So, i went through the video frame-by-frame (because that's the sort of party-hard stuff I do in the early hours of a Sunday morning), and counted the number of frames i could visually identify between when the human player releases the piece he's moving and the frame where the board reacts by beginning it's move.
Here is what I found.
i.gyazo.com/3aef173b5bb612598f7b22f3549e5dfc.png
Now it may be that there's a good explanation for this, but what i noticed was that of the 15 moves made by the human player, 5 of them were captures. And, possibly by coincidence, or perhaps with a good reason, the Regium's board 5 slowest responses to the humans moves happen to be in response to those 5 captures.
If this video was faked, and if the lighting had to be absolutely consistent, then it would make sense to me that the slowest reaction time for the board would be the moves immediately following a capture since those would be the slowest moves for the human player to complete.
If there is a piece of logic i've missed, or a reasonable explanation for why the Regium board would take longer reacting consistently this much longer to captures, then by all means point it out to me because i'm really curious.
Also, feel free to make sure i've not messed up massively by repeating my experiment yourself with their YouTube video. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARQeNlMMPS8
To play the video frame-by-frame pause it and press the full stop key on your keyboard (not Numpad decimal) and just count.
Be aware that sometimes the begins moving a piece it's capturing slightly before the piece it's moving, or moving a piece at the side of the board slightly before moving any in-play pieces, so keep looking for those in your peripheral vision.
So, i figured, if the video is faked then it could be that the fakery requires complete consistency of lighting for it to be harder to notice. And if that's the case then there would be a correlation between how long the human hand/shadow was in the frame and how long it takes the board to make its move.
Now I have neither the skills nor the patience to test forensically the precise lighting for every frame, but i can soft of count. And i have two working eyes, so instead what i did was make a note of every move made, human and Regium, and see if there was a correlation i could identify.
So, i went through the video frame-by-frame (because that's the sort of party-hard stuff I do in the early hours of a Sunday morning), and counted the number of frames i could visually identify between when the human player releases the piece he's moving and the frame where the board reacts by beginning it's move.
Here is what I found.
i.gyazo.com/3aef173b5bb612598f7b22f3549e5dfc.png
Now it may be that there's a good explanation for this, but what i noticed was that of the 15 moves made by the human player, 5 of them were captures. And, possibly by coincidence, or perhaps with a good reason, the Regium's board 5 slowest responses to the humans moves happen to be in response to those 5 captures.
If this video was faked, and if the lighting had to be absolutely consistent, then it would make sense to me that the slowest reaction time for the board would be the moves immediately following a capture since those would be the slowest moves for the human player to complete.
If there is a piece of logic i've missed, or a reasonable explanation for why the Regium board would take longer reacting consistently this much longer to captures, then by all means point it out to me because i'm really curious.
Also, feel free to make sure i've not messed up massively by repeating my experiment yourself with their YouTube video. www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARQeNlMMPS8
To play the video frame-by-frame pause it and press the full stop key on your keyboard (not Numpad decimal) and just count.
Be aware that sometimes the begins moving a piece it's capturing slightly before the piece it's moving, or moving a piece at the side of the board slightly before moving any in-play pieces, so keep looking for those in your peripheral vision.
Also, i suck at coordinates. So if i got any of the notation wrong then bite me.
It was all good and nice until the threats. How messed up mind that is to threat your future partner before it even comes out. I didn't pay attention to videos in the beginning. I just thought oh ok, looks nice. It can be real. Because why not. We already have some amazing stuff in the market. This could easily be real. I would buy after it comes out, not during the production. But now no. No way I am NOT buying anything from you guys. You do not make your customers angry. Now you should come upfront and apologize for threating.
On an intuitive note ,the guy in the video seems slimy at first and I would avoid doing business with him in real life. This is supported by nothing but my personal radar.
FYI: I posted a critical comment on the second YouTube video — and it mysteriously disappeared. I checked, and content uploaders have the ability to delete comments on their videos. Clearly, REGIUM Chess has been actively pruning theirs.
Hmm! No wonder all the comments there are positive. . . .
Obviously, this lowers the company’s credibility even further. Not only have they threatened a frivoless lawsuit over the mere presence of negative feedback here in this forum, they also censor any comments on their YouTube channel that aren’t openly supportive of their alleged product. You can’t even ask a critical question there; I know, because that’s all I tried to do. (I wasn’t rude, or anything.) Whereas if they were a legitimate company, they’d have answered my questions, not censored them.
Alas for Regium, they can’t hide dislikes. ;) Wherefore I humbly suggest that everyone who thinks one of their videos is fake should thumb it down. Maybe the few viewers who didn’t notice the stop motion, CGI, etc. will grow suspicious when they see all the negative feedback, in the only form that’s allowed to slip through.
In fact I consider this a moral imperative: if one has the ability to do so, one ought to dissuade others from sending money to a known con artist. ;( After all, some of the most thumbed-up comments there were inquiries about investing in / purchasing this mythical product. Perhaps it’s also worth downvoting some of those comments (or Regium’s replies thereto). I’ll let you decide that, if you care to take the time to read them.
Personally, I find wading through the 100% positive response from the YouTube community depressing. Something about that, too, looks fake to me. I wonder how many hundreds of comments like mine have already been deleted — and what a different picture we might see were they suddenly restored. . . .
Hmm! No wonder all the comments there are positive. . . .
Obviously, this lowers the company’s credibility even further. Not only have they threatened a frivoless lawsuit over the mere presence of negative feedback here in this forum, they also censor any comments on their YouTube channel that aren’t openly supportive of their alleged product. You can’t even ask a critical question there; I know, because that’s all I tried to do. (I wasn’t rude, or anything.) Whereas if they were a legitimate company, they’d have answered my questions, not censored them.
Alas for Regium, they can’t hide dislikes. ;) Wherefore I humbly suggest that everyone who thinks one of their videos is fake should thumb it down. Maybe the few viewers who didn’t notice the stop motion, CGI, etc. will grow suspicious when they see all the negative feedback, in the only form that’s allowed to slip through.
In fact I consider this a moral imperative: if one has the ability to do so, one ought to dissuade others from sending money to a known con artist. ;( After all, some of the most thumbed-up comments there were inquiries about investing in / purchasing this mythical product. Perhaps it’s also worth downvoting some of those comments (or Regium’s replies thereto). I’ll let you decide that, if you care to take the time to read them.
Personally, I find wading through the 100% positive response from the YouTube community depressing. Something about that, too, looks fake to me. I wonder how many hundreds of comments like mine have already been deleted — and what a different picture we might see were they suddenly restored. . . .
Thank You @redban - they exactly look like the Ulbrich chess set design.
Kickstarter teams usually shows the whole team working together - its better from the marketing point of view - but here we can only see one person.
The coils/electromagnets in an amount of 1 (one) also have some mtbf parameters - if you have 1000 of them - then one will fail 1000 times earlier and one square wont be able to behave the same way as 63 other squares. It is a very important design limitation but still you can up the reliability by working in a small stress regime. Eventually every kind of equipment fails and needs fixing -"The failure rate of an electronic device is 100%, eventually they all fail"
if one coil weights 10 gram - as much as a spoon of water - then 1000 electromagnets weight 10.000 gram - the board that Angel took up did not weight 10 KG
Regarding calling the knight a "horse" you must remember that it just might be a multicultural/multilanguage common translation issue - in some countries native languages the knight is called a horse, the bishop is an elephant, and a rook in many countries is called a tower (Torre :) ) but the account is highly suspicious.
I remember one YT movie where somebody broke down the SquareOff product, into pieces, with a hammer - just to show how it's made. There are many ways to build your credibility not necesserily by breaking something into pieces.
Kickstarter teams usually shows the whole team working together - its better from the marketing point of view - but here we can only see one person.
The coils/electromagnets in an amount of 1 (one) also have some mtbf parameters - if you have 1000 of them - then one will fail 1000 times earlier and one square wont be able to behave the same way as 63 other squares. It is a very important design limitation but still you can up the reliability by working in a small stress regime. Eventually every kind of equipment fails and needs fixing -"The failure rate of an electronic device is 100%, eventually they all fail"
if one coil weights 10 gram - as much as a spoon of water - then 1000 electromagnets weight 10.000 gram - the board that Angel took up did not weight 10 KG
Regarding calling the knight a "horse" you must remember that it just might be a multicultural/multilanguage common translation issue - in some countries native languages the knight is called a horse, the bishop is an elephant, and a rook in many countries is called a tower (Torre :) ) but the account is highly suspicious.
I remember one YT movie where somebody broke down the SquareOff product, into pieces, with a hammer - just to show how it's made. There are many ways to build your credibility not necesserily by breaking something into pieces.
guys, I think they're dead already, you can relax now XD
If it's legit, great! Buy it when it comes out - BUT it's a kickstarter for a reason - they can't get a solid investor or they don't have a good working prototype. Both are red flags to add to the many already present from their YT videos.
petty reply from lichess, should have handled it more professionally
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