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@tpr I disagree

The more exposure a person has the better. I do believe that 2000 is about fear because there is a fixation on that number. I also mention discipline and concentration. Casual games break the ice and I tempered this with playing against AI so that you can learn focus.

@tpr I disagree The more exposure a person has the better. I do believe that 2000 is about fear because there is a fixation on that number. I also mention discipline and concentration. Casual games break the ice and I tempered this with playing against AI so that you can learn focus.

tpr

#22

#21
You can have more exposure on one server than on three.
If you fear, then you can invoke zen mode, where you do not see opponent's rating.
Playing against Stockfish 8 is good to get stronger, but most people cannot stomach to lose game after game.

#21 You can have more exposure on one server than on three. If you fear, then you can invoke zen mode, where you do not see opponent's rating. Playing against Stockfish 8 is good to get stronger, but most people cannot stomach to lose game after game.

difford

#23

@tpr

Its good to play across the spectrum of players, not just here. It's fear of one's own number I am talking about and the gaining of the 2000 mythical status. I play against stockfish level 6 , is good enough for me....

@tpr Its good to play across the spectrum of players, not just here. It's fear of one's own number I am talking about and the gaining of the 2000 mythical status. I play against stockfish level 6 , is good enough for me....

stumilowylas

#24

I think 2k without studying is quite achievable in one's naturally preferred time control range, but if you want to be consistent and well rounded you probably have to do some work

Monder23

#25

lots of interesting answers, i think i will follow the tips to study a lot from my mistakes, so i will analyze much more my games, puzzles are fun and good for tactical training but real game is always another story, i feel more usefully train myself to be fluent to be at least 6 moves ahead ( in the middle and end game mostly). About the opening maybe you guys are right, a little study would be good to not reinvent the wheel...lol. Thank you for the tips, was constructive discussion, a big hug chess mates!

pointlesswindows

#26

It depends on your IQ.

MohammadAayanKhan

#27

This argument has brought me back in 1900s in blitz

Meddard

#28

you can learn openings by just playing them through trial and error, memorizing lines from a book was never appealing to me, finding your favorite lines through trial and error seems more fun to me.

I use 3 openings, after 10s of thousands of games there are several lines that I am still studying in games while playing, the positions each lines will produce are pretty familiar by now, but since many of them are highly complex there is always a point where the "trial and error part" begins again.

To be honest, I enjoy it a lot when I reach a familiar position where I haven't figured out the best move/continuation yet, trying to figure it out while playing and expanding my "opening knowledge" further and further is so much more fun than memorizing from a book.

You can also "freestyle" in chess as long as you make logical moves and keep the position fairly simple.

So just play a lot, if you like studying then study and play a lot, playing is the most important thing.

you can learn openings by just playing them through trial and error, memorizing lines from a book was never appealing to me, finding your favorite lines through trial and error seems more fun to me. I use 3 openings, after 10s of thousands of games there are several lines that I am still studying in games while playing, the positions each lines will produce are pretty familiar by now, but since many of them are highly complex there is always a point where the "trial and error part" begins again. To be honest, I enjoy it a lot when I reach a familiar position where I haven't figured out the best move/continuation yet, trying to figure it out while playing and expanding my "opening knowledge" further and further is so much more fun than memorizing from a book. You can also "freestyle" in chess as long as you make logical moves and keep the position fairly simple. So just play a lot, if you like studying then study and play a lot, playing is the most important thing.

Meddard

#29

@Monder23

1 more thing, you mentioned that you think that when you can calculate 3 moves ahead always you will be better. Don't get too attached into this idea, you actually don't need to calculate in chess when you make positional moves, you only need to calculate the tactical sequences when needed.

You might play a game where you only calculate 1 or 2 times.

Going from calculating into positional play is a a big step in chess, the trick is that you do not actually think, you just look at the position and notice things. Isn't it much easier to just look and notice than to try to grind and think? It sure is!

I know this step is a big one and it doesn't come easy for many (most never make the leap), but I want you to make it, so just sowing a seed here, one day you will look instead of thinking.

@Monder23 1 more thing, you mentioned that you think that when you can calculate 3 moves ahead always you will be better. Don't get too attached into this idea, you actually don't need to calculate in chess when you make positional moves, you only need to calculate the tactical sequences when needed. You might play a game where you only calculate 1 or 2 times. Going from calculating into positional play is a a big step in chess, the trick is that you do not actually think, you just look at the position and notice things. Isn't it much easier to just look and notice than to try to grind and think? It sure is! I know this step is a big one and it doesn't come easy for many (most never make the leap), but I want you to make it, so just sowing a seed here, one day you will look instead of thinking.

Monder23

#30

@Meddard thank you for the useful tips, i think you really got my point, i share a lot of what you said, i like create a culture from real battles than from books and this because is maybe the most fun part of chess, figure it out the right ways, not taking from others they already figure it out, i mean nothing wrong about it, i m sure people studying from books they can be faster or slower in achieving good rating, but i believe they can be highly influenced and never really be their real self in chess...never really discover their truly style. Ok said like that sounds exaggerated but if you see chess as an art, expressing yourself is a very big component. Btw i will dig further in the positional concept, do you have some online material to share about it? thanks