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I think 1. b3 is good

Does it even matter, both of them are completely different with different playstyles and this discourse is kind of pointless.

Honestly, I agree. e4 is more positional and, in my opinion, more boring. d4 is also positional but can be played in a way where it can be really fun. But I do play 1. d4 not because I think it’s better, but I think that in higher level play you just can’t expect your opponents to play e5 anymore.

@Menneske said in #30: > Does it even matter, both of them are completely different with different playstyles and this discourse is kind of pointless. Honestly, I agree. e4 is more positional and, in my opinion, more boring. d4 is also positional but can be played in a way where it can be really fun. But I do play 1. d4 not because I think it’s better, but I think that in higher level play you just can’t expect your opponents to play e5 anymore.

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kindaspongey

#35

@kindaspongey said in #15:

"... With White only the [1 e4] opening should be played. Although there is no difference in value between [1 e4] and [1 d4] and the choice among masters is largely a matter of taste, the basic ideas in the [1 e4] openings are easier to grasp and more readily applicable, ..." - GM Reuben Fine in a 1941 book for beginners

@Shadow1414 said in #26:

... Using a quote that is over eighty years old in a modern discussion is disingenuous.

The date of the quote was clearly identified. One can discuss how things have changed since then.
"... For players with very limited experience, I recommend using openings in which the play can be clarified at an early stage, often with a degree of simplification. To accomplish this safely will take a little study, because you will have to get used to playing with open lines for both sides' pieces, but you can't eliminate risk entirely in the opening anyway. ... teachers all over the world suggest that inexperienced players begin with 1 e4. ... You will undoubtedly see the reply 1 ... e5 most often when playing at or near a beginner's level, ... After 2 Nf3, 2 ... Nc6 will occur in the bulk of your games. ... I recommend taking up the classical and instructive move 3 Bc4 at an early stage. Then, against 3 ... Bc5, it's thematic to try to establish the ideal centre by 4 c3 and 5 d4; after that, things can get complicated enough that you need to take a look at some theory and learn the basics; ... Of course, you can also play 1 d4 ... A solid and more-or-less universal set-up is 2 Nf3 and 3 Bf4, followed in most cases by 4 e3, 5 Be2 and 6 0-0. I'd rather see my students fight their way through open positions instead; however, if you're not getting out of the opening alive after 1 e4, this method of playing 1 d4 deserves consideration. ... a commonly suggested 'easy' repertoire for White with 1 Nf3 and the King's Indian Attack ... doesn't lead to an open game or one with a clear plan for White. Furthermore, it encourages mechanical play. Similarly, teachers sometimes recommend the Colle System ..., which can also be played too automatically, and usually doesn't lead to an open position. For true beginners, the King's Indian Attack and Colle System have the benefit of offering a safe position that nearly guarantees passage to some kind of playable middlegame; they may be a reasonable alternative if other openings are too intimidating. But having gained even a small amount of experience, you really should switch to more open and less automatic play. ..." - IM John Watson in a section of his 2010 book, Mastering the Chess Openings, Volume 4

@kindaspongey said in #15: > "... With White only the [1 e4] opening should be played. Although there is no difference in value between [1 e4] and [1 d4] and the choice among masters is largely a matter of taste, the basic ideas in the [1 e4] openings are easier to grasp and more readily applicable, ..." - GM Reuben Fine in a 1941 book for beginners @Shadow1414 said in #26: > ... Using a quote that is over eighty years old in a modern discussion is disingenuous. The date of the quote was clearly identified. One can discuss how things have changed since then. "... For players with very limited experience, I recommend using openings in which the play can be clarified at an early stage, often with a degree of simplification. To accomplish this safely will take a little study, because you will have to get used to playing with open lines for both sides' pieces, but you can't eliminate risk entirely in the opening anyway. ... teachers all over the world suggest that inexperienced players begin with 1 e4. ... You will undoubtedly see the reply 1 ... e5 most often when playing at or near a beginner's level, ... After 2 Nf3, 2 ... Nc6 will occur in the bulk of your games. ... I recommend taking up the classical and instructive move 3 Bc4 at an early stage. Then, against 3 ... Bc5, it's thematic to try to establish the ideal centre by 4 c3 and 5 d4; after that, things can get complicated enough that you need to take a look at some theory and learn the basics; ... Of course, you can also play 1 d4 ... A solid and more-or-less universal set-up is 2 Nf3 and 3 Bf4, followed in most cases by 4 e3, 5 Be2 and 6 0-0. I'd rather see my students fight their way through open positions instead; however, if you're not getting out of the opening alive after 1 e4, this method of playing 1 d4 deserves consideration. ... a commonly suggested 'easy' repertoire for White with 1 Nf3 and the King's Indian Attack ... doesn't lead to an open game or one with a clear plan for White. Furthermore, it encourages mechanical play. Similarly, teachers sometimes recommend the Colle System ..., which can also be played too automatically, and usually doesn't lead to an open position. For true beginners, the King's Indian Attack and Colle System have the benefit of offering a safe position that nearly guarantees passage to some kind of playable middlegame; they may be a reasonable alternative if other openings are too intimidating. But having gained even a small amount of experience, you really should switch to more open and less automatic play. ..." - IM John Watson in a section of his 2010 book, Mastering the Chess Openings, Volume 4

IamNOTamod

#36

@nguyenninhthuan2021 said in #1:

The reason I create this is to see what do you guys think, e4 or d4 is better, please comment, from titled players to amaturs

Is an apple or an orange more delicious?

@nguyenninhthuan2021 said in #1: > The reason I create this is to see what do you guys think, e4 or d4 is better, please comment, from titled players to amaturs Is an apple or an orange more delicious?