@rdaysky
I also wish there was a rule to reference in this situation. Unfortunately it was not anticipated before the tournament started. I did discuss the situation with Gannet over a number of messages. He agreed with my decision and also discussed it with Arka, who told him that he understood. I also received two messages from Arka which to me suggested he accepted the decision. Doing that and then complaining publicly in the forum I also don't like.
Your point c is technically correct that there are no rules against misleading and/or lying to the TM, however if you do it you shouldn't be surprised that it counts against you. There are no rules about doing many things that are obviously wrong, it's common sense.
My feeling is that in this case onubense has not done anything wrong, while Arka has.
Imagine guys that this would happen to one you, why do you have to pay the consequences when you did the things right? Why should it benefit the person who broke the rules? Why just because we are playing on Internet we have to be less severe than if we play in real? Is the same compromise for me. Imagine Carlsen-Karjakin, if they have to play 4 tie-break games in the same day and after two games Karjakin says "I have to go and let's play another day" and he left. We do not even imagine that situation because we know what the obvious consequence is. Also could be a pattern that will be repeated in the future if not corrected. That is the first reason.
2) I'm now living in Malta and this next week my parents and my girlfriend will come to visit me so I will be with them of course, travelling or doing anything because I give them priority (as Arka give priority to the lesson).
3) There are no 2 single games, because if we start to make 1-1 after every two games the match can take long and the same problem will happen.
3)(And most important) Even in the case I could play (that is not the case) Arka have lot of time to prepare for the tie-break (and I don't really have time, and I don't want to prepare again because I did in his time) so I will be in desadvantage and to benefit the player who breaks the rules don't seem fair to me.
In addition:
Arka asked me if I want to delay the match or not and even when I said "no" he anyway went out, without caring my opinion. He even request for the break in the last game, so I couldn't respond later at the moment because I was in the bathroom as we were in break. This is the World Championship, there are some rules and we have to be serious and what he did is not respectable in any other tournament. As Arka, I had other commitments that I cancel in order to play the match and I was concious that it may take more than 3 hours. If Arka weren't concious about that then is his fault. Arka choosed to give the lesson instead of play in the middle of the tiebreak, that was his decision.
@ rdaysky
There are not conflicts of interest, this is the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP and everyone who play this must take it seriosly.
@rdaysky
If it is not against the rules to lie and mislead a TD, simply because it is not written anywhere, then there is no reason it should be against the rules to kill your opponent and then claim that he/she forfeited. Obviously this is an extreme comparison, but the principal remains the same. Certain rules are assumed to be common sense. If it was not against the rules for arka to mislead tipau, why then would it be against the rules for tipau to mislead arka?
In both cases I am willing to accept that the miscommunication and misleading nature was unintentional (which benefits arka's case much more than it does tipau/onu's), however even if it was a case of miscommunication, and arka meant a break as in a break from the match, that still wouldn't explain why he denied asking for a break, and later said that he told onu he might have to go if the match took too long despite being unable to show any evidence to support that claim when asked to.
Onubense has done nothing wrong, while arka has mislead the tipau a number of times. Whether this was intentional or not is irrelevant, as it is arka's responsibility to make sure that, when asking for special permission as was the case with the break, he is understood and communicates the details with others. In this case Arka suddenly dropped a claim that he had to leave without any real warning, acted urgent putting a huge deal of pressure on tipau without allowing onu to get a word in edgewise, and then witheld information including the fact that onubense had responded saying he was not okay with arka leaving.
Was the punishment possibly too harsh? Maybe. However, these kinds of shenanigans and trickery can't really be allowed. In any real chess tournament attempting to mislead the tournament director in order to gain an advantage (onubense had publicly posted that he was having to move and didn't have much free time) should not simply result in a slap on the wrist. In this case, with the evidence presented the tournament directors are at least forced to accept that a grave miscommunication was made, and that arka was at fault for it. Either he could be benefited by this action, or he could be harmed by it. It was an unfortunate ending to an otherwise fantastic set, but it was necessary in order to provide the most fair ruling.
I just want to say that you’re here to conduct a tournament according to rules, not to mete out punishment for supposedly immoral actions.
Hopefully next year the rulebook will be twice the size.
@rdaysky If you want to play it strictly by what's said in the rules, then the result should be the same "13. If somebody is unable to complete a series, or has to withdraw, then their opponent is considered the victor. Byes may be issued in the case of an odd number of players." Notice that it does not say anywhere that the TD can make an exception at any point, or that a TD can't lie (even though it wasn't a lie, and if Arka had taken the time to explain the situation in the beginning more clearly he wouldn't be in this state), therefore according to the rules, things went as they should have as well. But obviously we know a TD has some power, even though it's not specified, just like we know that TDs shouldn't be allowed to decieve players, and that deceiving the TD will carry consequences. I do not like the result of the match, and I knew it would stir up some amount of unrest, but the simple fact is that arka is at fault here anyway you look at it. There were some exceptional games played that set, and I would have loved to see more, but in this particular case I believe that the correct verdict was reached, even if the set would have ended differently.
@onubense first of all, how can you compare a World Championship match to on online Atomic WC. I have made many mistakes since the tiebreak games but nothing so bad that should lead to a forfeit. And since tipau was going to award onubense the win incase the match wouldn't be played it is very likely that he avoided playing me to get the forfeit win. Where is the proof that he couldn't play this week? I mean he was online playing recently correct? Why couldn't he tell me and we could this settle this over the board. And, was there a specific date that stated when the end of the tournament should take place? If not there is no need to forfeit me so early on @onubense I said break and then sorry I have to go, which was a sincere mistake which I am very sorry about. But I did say I gave to go within seconds which I will try to Paste as a recording.
All I want to say is that onubense can avoid continuing the match because he will be resulted with a win. Which in my opinion needs proof. Secondly I want to say that me having time to prepare is simply incorrect since I have been playing in an event this week, which I know you have been playing to. So there is really no advantage in preparation for me. I am not trying to act like I'm innocent, which I'm not. But the punishment does seem to severe. I can give onubense any advantages that he wants, but I hope the match will be finished on the board, and not like this. @onubense this is the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP as you put it, but you could have answered me after my messages
@GM Arka50
"how can you compare a World Championship match to on online Atomic WC" Of course is not the same, but the responsability and the seriety of the players who play this tournament should be like in a real tournament, where you can't leave the match and that's all. Only because we are playing online that doesn't mean we don't have to respect the rules or that we have to be less severe.
"I have made many mistakes since the tiebreak games but nothing so bad that should lead to a forfeit" Well... if after you asked me if we can play another day and I replied you that no, and you left anyway for me the consequence is not a surprise.
"And since tipau was going to award onubense the win incase the match wouldn't be played it is very likely that he avoided playing me to get the forfeit win" As I said to you I was playing the Malta Open http://www.chessorg.de/malta.php, and also I had many commitments I could write here but I do not think I have to justify myself and also I write to you the same reasons that I have post here.
"Where is the proof that he couldn't play this week? I mean he was online playing recently correct? Why couldn't he tell me and we could this settle this over the board" Again I don't think I have to justify my schedule but I explained you the situation. If I was online here was because I had to respond your messages and also Tipau messages and I connected to lichess just for that. I was playing recently? There are only two single games I have played after our match and was against someone who is interested in lessons, if you don't believe this you can ask gutemorgen, so that is not play.
"was there a specific date that stated when the end of the tournament should take place?" Of course yes but anyway you still without understand that the date is not the only reason.
"All I want to say is that onubense can avoid continuing the match because he will be resulted with a win. Which in my opinion needs proof" No, I don't need any proof because I did the things right and I don't broke any rule, you are the only one who have to justify here.
"Secondly I want to say that me having time to prepare is simply incorrect since I have been playing in an event this week, which I know you have been playing to. So there is really no advantage in preparation for me" You have been playing a lot the last week so maybe yes, you were preparing the match. Anyway as I also said I don't even want to prepare again because I did in his time and I don't want to do this twice.
" @onubense this is the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP as you put it, but you could have answered me after my messages" How can you say here publicly that I don't answered your messages Arka? I can make an screenshot and proof that you are lying again and I don't know if you are doing this to try to manipulate the spectators or something.
This is your last message: "I understand onubense, am I am sorry. I wish you luck in the Malta open and hope you have a great time with your family ,I hope we can figure this out." It's pretty clear an understanding on your part with this message so, what do you want to me to say?
this is becoming a tsunami or end of the world........
ist just a tourney and friendly betwen pearsons that are not so many and like atomic variant.
its no life on game or the money.......
calm and patience pleas
@rdaysky
I agree that the TD should ensure players follow the rules. It's also the TD's job to use judgement and make decisions if a situation is not covered by the rules. In this case that decision was discussed and agreed with the assistant TD, anticipating and following your main recommendation. I'm surprised by the language you use. You say that midleading and lying to the TD 'may or may not' be unsportsmanlike and is only 'supposedly' immoral. To his credit, Arka has at least apologied and admitted he was in the wrong. I do not know about the rule book being twice as long but if I run it again there will certainly be a clause involving lying or misleading the TM. Hopefully that will stop people who think similarly.
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