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becoming chess play who earns income on fully chess very hard. Very small amount people can do. It is not ebnought to be a gm but one has to be really close to top. Basically being pro at chess mean coaching and running chess clubs etc.
For that you definitely young enough
For that you definitely young enough
@crtex said in #4:
> It is very unlikely. If you are not at the very least FM level at 14 (and preferably IM or even GM) it is basically unheard of to succeed in chess professionally. And being a pro chess player is very tough - unless you are like 2700 or higher you don't do very well just by playing.
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> You can still become a strong player, become titled, give lessons etc. But the truth is you would be an extreme outlier if you became a GM, if you're at this level at 14 years old. It has been done before - Rubinstein became a GM after learning chess at age 16, but it's extremely rare and probably much harder to do nowadays.
@crtex said in #12:
> Funny how the actual titled player and myself get random downvotes. Have these people played a single OTB tournament ever? Do they know how exhausting it is, and the time/money requirement? I don't even know if the OP has a FIDE rating, because they cited their blitz/bullet instead of the rating that actually determines if they can be eligible for GM - imagine wanting to achieve the highest title without playing in a single tournament?
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> It's a fact that it's very unlikely. Is it impossible? Of course not. But I also noticed they've been on this site for 4+ years now. If you're 14 and been playing for 4 years, and only 2100 blitz / 2300 bullet (that extrapolates to almost certainly <2000 OTB), it means you're not likely to have the talent for GM.
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> And that doesn't mean you can't have fun and enjoy chess.
To specify my goal is to become a GM at maybe 2500/2600 elo. I have seen other GMs for example Erdogmus, Yagiz Kaan went up from 2100 to 2600 in about 4 years. So, from what I have learned I think it is tough but indeed possible with proper guidance and training.
> It is very unlikely. If you are not at the very least FM level at 14 (and preferably IM or even GM) it is basically unheard of to succeed in chess professionally. And being a pro chess player is very tough - unless you are like 2700 or higher you don't do very well just by playing.
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> You can still become a strong player, become titled, give lessons etc. But the truth is you would be an extreme outlier if you became a GM, if you're at this level at 14 years old. It has been done before - Rubinstein became a GM after learning chess at age 16, but it's extremely rare and probably much harder to do nowadays.
@crtex said in #12:
> Funny how the actual titled player and myself get random downvotes. Have these people played a single OTB tournament ever? Do they know how exhausting it is, and the time/money requirement? I don't even know if the OP has a FIDE rating, because they cited their blitz/bullet instead of the rating that actually determines if they can be eligible for GM - imagine wanting to achieve the highest title without playing in a single tournament?
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> It's a fact that it's very unlikely. Is it impossible? Of course not. But I also noticed they've been on this site for 4+ years now. If you're 14 and been playing for 4 years, and only 2100 blitz / 2300 bullet (that extrapolates to almost certainly <2000 OTB), it means you're not likely to have the talent for GM.
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> And that doesn't mean you can't have fun and enjoy chess.
To specify my goal is to become a GM at maybe 2500/2600 elo. I have seen other GMs for example Erdogmus, Yagiz Kaan went up from 2100 to 2600 in about 4 years. So, from what I have learned I think it is tough but indeed possible with proper guidance and training.
@AiDaNkRiShNa said in #1:
> I am 14 and recently seeing young prodigies I have been doubting if being a GM is an unrealistic dream of mine. I want to reach chess at a professional level, but I feel like I have started too late.
I am 1800 fide currently, but I have not played many fide rated games. I have only started travveling to play tournaments recently, because in my country there aren't many fide rated torunaments.
> I am 14 and recently seeing young prodigies I have been doubting if being a GM is an unrealistic dream of mine. I want to reach chess at a professional level, but I feel like I have started too late.
I am 1800 fide currently, but I have not played many fide rated games. I have only started travveling to play tournaments recently, because in my country there aren't many fide rated torunaments.
@AiDaNkRiShNa said in #24:
> To specify my goal is to become a GM at maybe 2500/2600 elo. I have seen other GMs for example Erdogmus, Yagiz Kaan went up from 2100 to 2600 in about 4 years. So, from what I have learned I think it is tough but indeed possible with proper guidance and training.
I stand by what I said. It is not impossible, but it is very unlikely and rare. 1800 FIDE is pretty in line with your online rating.
Kaan was only 6 years old when he played his first FIDE event, and in 4 years (10 years old) he was already 2300 FIDE. If you have been playing for 4 years and are 1800, it is a big difference in talent and headstart.
I'm not trying to discourage you, just answering honestly. Some comments will tell you "of course you can, just work hard" which feels good but isn't based in reality.
Forget about GM, look at 2000-2200 FIDE first. There's your goal. It is realistic and you will have to get there if you want to be GM anyways. Once, or if you get to 2200, then you can talk about being GM. Maybe at that point you won't even want to be a GM anymore because you see how hard it is. This is a better way to think about improvement, instead of immediately having a goal of GM
> To specify my goal is to become a GM at maybe 2500/2600 elo. I have seen other GMs for example Erdogmus, Yagiz Kaan went up from 2100 to 2600 in about 4 years. So, from what I have learned I think it is tough but indeed possible with proper guidance and training.
I stand by what I said. It is not impossible, but it is very unlikely and rare. 1800 FIDE is pretty in line with your online rating.
Kaan was only 6 years old when he played his first FIDE event, and in 4 years (10 years old) he was already 2300 FIDE. If you have been playing for 4 years and are 1800, it is a big difference in talent and headstart.
I'm not trying to discourage you, just answering honestly. Some comments will tell you "of course you can, just work hard" which feels good but isn't based in reality.
Forget about GM, look at 2000-2200 FIDE first. There's your goal. It is realistic and you will have to get there if you want to be GM anyways. Once, or if you get to 2200, then you can talk about being GM. Maybe at that point you won't even want to be a GM anymore because you see how hard it is. This is a better way to think about improvement, instead of immediately having a goal of GM
"... an experienced trainer can detect [chess talent] almost immediately. A talented youngster absorbs chess knowledge more quickly, and uses it more effectively. He quickly identifies the main points in what his trainer tells him, or in what he reads in books, correctly identifies the moments when it is right to follow this or that chess principle, or to use a certain technical device.
Talented children can usually play blindfold games almost immediately. They move quickly, calculate variations rapidly, and are good at blitz and rapid games. ... Grandmaster B, at the age of 12, played so fast that, in a bid to get him to slow down and play thoughtfully, I advised him to write down in an exercise book all the moves he had considered, before actually playing his move. The child took no more than one minute to write down seven (!) candidate moves, and to play an eighth. Now that is talent! ..." - Alexander Vaisman (~2009)
Talented children can usually play blindfold games almost immediately. They move quickly, calculate variations rapidly, and are good at blitz and rapid games. ... Grandmaster B, at the age of 12, played so fast that, in a bid to get him to slow down and play thoughtfully, I advised him to write down in an exercise book all the moves he had considered, before actually playing his move. The child took no more than one minute to write down seven (!) candidate moves, and to play an eighth. Now that is talent! ..." - Alexander Vaisman (~2009)
@crtex said in #26:
> I stand by what I said. It is not impossible, but it is very unlikely and rare. 1800 FIDE is pretty in line with your online rating.
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> Kaan was only 6 years old when he played his first FIDE event, and in 4 years (10 years old) he was already 2300 FIDE. If you have been playing for 4 years and are 1800, it is a big difference in talent and headstart.
>
> I'm not trying to discourage you, just answering honestly. Some comments will tell you "of course you can, just work hard" which feels good but isn't based in reality.
>
> Forget about GM, look at 2000-2200 FIDE first. There's your goal. It is realistic and you will have to get there if you want to be GM anyways. Once, or if you get to 2200, then you can talk about being GM. Maybe at that point you won't even want to be a GM anymore because you see how hard it is. This is a better way to think about improvement, instead of immediately having a goal of GM
Yes I understand. What you said is really true. I am asking this question, because I don't want my parents to invest money into chess if I can't get much knowledge and stuff out of it.
> I stand by what I said. It is not impossible, but it is very unlikely and rare. 1800 FIDE is pretty in line with your online rating.
>
> Kaan was only 6 years old when he played his first FIDE event, and in 4 years (10 years old) he was already 2300 FIDE. If you have been playing for 4 years and are 1800, it is a big difference in talent and headstart.
>
> I'm not trying to discourage you, just answering honestly. Some comments will tell you "of course you can, just work hard" which feels good but isn't based in reality.
>
> Forget about GM, look at 2000-2200 FIDE first. There's your goal. It is realistic and you will have to get there if you want to be GM anyways. Once, or if you get to 2200, then you can talk about being GM. Maybe at that point you won't even want to be a GM anymore because you see how hard it is. This is a better way to think about improvement, instead of immediately having a goal of GM
Yes I understand. What you said is really true. I am asking this question, because I don't want my parents to invest money into chess if I can't get much knowledge and stuff out of it.
Just in terms of money I wouldn't recommend anyone to be a chess professional. Unless you're literally in the top 20 in the world you're unlikely to make much money. Admittedly you could get income through streaming if you're a good entertainer or even writing books but here is top prize money from 2023
Player Total Winnings # Major Events
GM Ding Liren $1,228,200 2
GM Ian Nepomniachtchi $1,226,825 13
GM Magnus Carlsen $705,155 15
GM Fabiano Caruana $638,372 18
GM Wesley So $394,542 17
GM Ju Wenjun $354,581 4
GM Hikaru Nakamura $284,527 13
GM Maxime Vachier-Lagrave $282,854 12
GM Lei Tingjie $257,171 3
GM Nodirbek Abdusattorov $190,173 12
GM Alireza Firouzja $184,402 13
GM Levon Aronian $182,175 13
GM Anish Giri $169,799 13
GM Gukesh Dommaraju $142,555 12
GM Vidit Gujrathi $131,647 4
GM Arjun Erigaisi $126,806 10
GM Praggnanandhaa Rameshbabu $122,679 6
GM Vladimir Fedoseev $118,982 8
GM Leinier Dominguez $113,900 9
GM Jan-Krzysztof Duda $112,612 4
In addition only 27 players have made more than $1m from chess prize money. Admittedly some of them could have additional income sources like streaming, books, coaching, government support etc. Although take home message is you're unlikely to make much money from chess compared to other activities.
Having said that 1800 at 14 is pretty good and if you put the work in there's no reason you can't reach FM or even GM. Mihai Suba started playing chess at 19 and became a Grandmaster although he's more of an anomaly but it shows it can be done.
Player Total Winnings # Major Events
GM Ding Liren $1,228,200 2
GM Ian Nepomniachtchi $1,226,825 13
GM Magnus Carlsen $705,155 15
GM Fabiano Caruana $638,372 18
GM Wesley So $394,542 17
GM Ju Wenjun $354,581 4
GM Hikaru Nakamura $284,527 13
GM Maxime Vachier-Lagrave $282,854 12
GM Lei Tingjie $257,171 3
GM Nodirbek Abdusattorov $190,173 12
GM Alireza Firouzja $184,402 13
GM Levon Aronian $182,175 13
GM Anish Giri $169,799 13
GM Gukesh Dommaraju $142,555 12
GM Vidit Gujrathi $131,647 4
GM Arjun Erigaisi $126,806 10
GM Praggnanandhaa Rameshbabu $122,679 6
GM Vladimir Fedoseev $118,982 8
GM Leinier Dominguez $113,900 9
GM Jan-Krzysztof Duda $112,612 4
In addition only 27 players have made more than $1m from chess prize money. Admittedly some of them could have additional income sources like streaming, books, coaching, government support etc. Although take home message is you're unlikely to make much money from chess compared to other activities.
Having said that 1800 at 14 is pretty good and if you put the work in there's no reason you can't reach FM or even GM. Mihai Suba started playing chess at 19 and became a Grandmaster although he's more of an anomaly but it shows it can be done.
@Planet_CHESS465 said in #10:
> : You didn't understood, I mean everyone too
> : You didn't understood, I mean everyone too
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