Answer to most mouse players in ultrabullet or bullet about keyboard players

Do you play Minecraft ? I have an analogy.

Or better, just cause you can't beat Usain Bolt in a race ,you just come up with some drugs and steroids boosting your advantage.

Or in Minecraft.
Just cause you ain't as good as Dream or Technoblade, you just use an auto clicker to beat them in PVP.

It takes time to get accustomed to ? Maybe a few days ? And then you use your cheap methods to win.

Just pathetic and the reasons you guys give just makes it worse.Anyway, I hope Lichess just bans it completely

That's different, because steroids gives you extra speed, while keyboard doesn't. And if you think that keyboard gives you extra speed, there's no need for you to keep arguing, because you clearly don't understand the mechanism of the keyboard.

PS: I have seen lots of my friends, around 2200 in ultrabullet and 2200+ uscf, drop down to 1700 in ultra within a few days while using a keyboard. They just can't get used it.

@DrZwischenzug I'm fine with you giving a thumbs down, but would you like to explain instead of clicking randomly without reading my statements?

Well as someone who has tried KB and used to think it's wrong i can assure you there's a lot of training and talent required to use it and it's not just some 'cheap' extension which would instantly make you a GM

You need a lot of training to use it and if you do end up training so much you deserve the speed like how i have a lot of practice to click super fast on touchscreen

Hello all, this post will answer most people's questions and complaints about keyboard and whether it's fair or not. I have seen lots of mouse players complaining about this, so I'm here to answer the most frequently asked questions about keyboard and keyboard players.

I believe the answer can only be given by mods and that mods don’t prefer such claims by users that make them look like mini mods. About kb, lichess knows it exists and hasn’t banned it. Whether it’s fair or not? Not for us to decide.

First of all, keyboard isn't a tool that only cheap people uses, it's simply an extra choice for people who prefer to use it. This is the same thing as using a phone or touchscreen, keyboard doesn't make playing ultrabullet/bullet easier. You still need to aim the mouse, drag it around and think about the position. While most people think that you don't have to drag the mouse back and forth, you still need one hand on the keyboard, which requires very adept keyboard skills and a very good sense of where the keys were. So to use keyboard, you need to know EXACTLY where every single key is in order to play fast. Otherwise, people like me can spend 2 minutes simply trying to figure out where the keys were. Many people probably still don't believe me, but now think about this. Why do people use different kind of phones and computers and laptops? The answer is simple, everybody prefer different kinds of systems because they're used to different kind of things. Most mouse players complain about keyboard players when they have absolutely no experience, but I can guarantee you that if you download keyboard, it might take you a few years for you to become as adept as the keyboard players you've faced in tournaments. (Try it if you don't believe me)

• kb is free and open source. Rich and poor can use it. It is cheat cuz it’s free of cost (jk).
• It is an extension that users can you if they’d like to. It is a personal decision. ( for more extensions https://lichess.org/page/extend )
• Of course kb is different from mouse (ahem and btw I use my fingers while playing ultrabullet, something you haven’t spoken about I believe), but has one advantage, you use both your hands. While using mouse, with one hand you have to both click on pieces and drag it to wherever you want to drag it, whereas in kb there is no click and drag. In kb you just click a key (example you click “f” if you want to move your pawn and if you’ve set “f” to move your pawn) and then with your other hand you hover your mouse over the relevant “blue coloured” piece and move your mouse to wherever you’d like to move it. And then there’s a kb extension that allows multi-premoves too. Well at the end why do people use it? Cuz they can play better and faster. (Another question comes here is why do people cheat? Cuz they can play better, similar to kb’s usage reason 👀).
• People can set a particular key for a particular move in kb. So if you’re spending 2 mins just to understand the keys it kinda sounds like an exaggeration.
• Yup it would take a few months to adapt to kb. Years might be a bit too much.

I've seen mouse players beat keyboard players when the keyboard was shut down and they would say that when the keyboard players don't have their keyboard, they can't beat me anymore. But again, those keyboard players aren't good at the mouse since they are not used to it, just like how some mouse players aren't used to the keyboard. So it would only make sense if you beat them while they aren't using their keyboard.

The only reason I ever am kinda against kb is because the no. 1 in lichess’ ultrabullet leaderboard (not anymore due to lack of activity (@)C9C9C9C9C9 ) is a mouse player and has quit ultrabullet because of kb players. I also feel that will have a huge impact on lichess.

There are also some people complaining saying that keyboard can premove every single move and also move pieces that are faraway. To this, I have to ask, why are you complaining the keyboard players when the touchscreen and phone players can also do this? I can use two fingers and move through the phone very quickly and make premoves. If you think that people can't move their fingers super fast through the phone, then I can also tell you, people won't be able to move super fast through the keyboard either.

I think those people mean when using kb you can play so fast that every move is a pre move very easily, which is hard to do otherwise. Also there is a kb extension that if used could allow multi-premoves, so in that case even before the opponent plays the kb user would have gone 5 moves ahead.

Oh btw, people using the multi-pre move kb extension haven’t been banned if I’m right.

#16 I agree with you that perhaps keyboard can make premove fast. But using the time that a keyboard player train, you could train using a phone/touchscreen and play almost as fast. Perhaps you're right that mouse cannot be as fast as the keyboard, but speed is only a part of ultrabullet. If keyboard's advantage is speed, then mouse's advantage is accuracy. It's much more easier to mouseslip using a keyboard than using a mouse, because as some of you guys said, people make premoves almost every single move, and to do that, the player must be quick with the moves, thus they have more chances to mouseslip. In ultrabullet, I have never seen a guy who play crap moves and hang all their pieces and play as fast as they could get to 2000 or even 1800. So the mouse players do get an advantage over the keyboard players, and making good moves can also grant you a win. This is like people buying phones and computers. Some people when they go to a place like to bring their computer because the computer is most likely faster than the phone, while some prefer to bring a phone because it's easier to carry. So in the end the computer and the phone both has it's own benefit and drawbacks. Say that now those people are walking to the library to read ebooks and study, the person carrying the phone would have benefit while they're walking, but the person bringing the computer will have benefit while they're studying. In the end the time and energy they spent is most likely the same. So if you balance the drawbacks with the benefits, then the mouse and the keyboard are roughly the same. The rest is about how much time you spent training the mouse/kb.

PS: talking about using both hands, a mouse/touchscreen player can also do that, but nobody really say that they were cheap and instead they only talk about the kb players

I agree with you that perhaps keyboard can make premove fast. But using the time that a keyboard player train, you could train using a phone/touchscreen and play almost as fast.

I agree with that, but at the end of the same amount of training, those using kb will still have the upper hand.

Perhaps you're right that mouse cannot be as fast as the keyboard, but speed is only a part of ultrabullet. If keyboard's advantage is speed, then mouse's advantage is accuracy.

Well if you using something to help you play better or rather play faster and then just win (on time) then the kb extension is helping in improving speed and helping at being able to gain more rating. (Abrupt end, I don’t want to misuse the fact that I can post).

Imagine playing accurately with a mouse and then having a huge material advantage but loosing on time. Kb is helping and that is the case quite often.

It's much more easier to mouseslip using a keyboard than using a mouse, because as some of you guys said, people make premoves almost every single move, and to do that, the player must be quick with the moves, thus they have more chances to mouseslip.

Could you rephrase this please.
Mouseslip -> mouse
Keyboard mistake input - kb
You actually mouseslip more when not using kb. Example, In kb I click on “f” to move my rook, my mouse hovers over the knight instead, what happens? The knight moves? No, nothing happens. You see premoves are mouseslips they are premoves. You play extremely fast and play premoves, your premoves are intentional. Mouseslips aren’t.

In ultrabullet, I have never seen a guy who play crap moves and hang all their pieces and play as fast as they could get to 2000 or even 1800.

You seem to be missing a lot let me tell you. Kb is sometimes almost equal to randommoverbot though not always of course.

So the mouse players do get an advantage over the keyboard players, and making good moves can also grant you a win.

Honestly a huge advantage kb players get is time and for mouse players, playing both well and fast is very hard and requires, as mentioned earlier “talent”.

Some people when they go to a place like to bring their computer because the computer is most likely faster than the phone, while some prefer to bring a phone because it's easier to carry. So in the end the computer and the phone both has it's own benefit and drawbacks. Say that now those people are walking to the library to read ebooks and study, the person carrying the phone would have benefit while they're walking, but the person bringing the computer will have benefit while they're studying. In the end the time and energy they spent is most likely the same. So if you balance the drawbacks with the benefits, then the mouse and the keyboard are roughly the same. The rest is about how much time you spent training the mouse/kb.

Agreed, and even with the case of kb I agree. But sometimes there is a slight inclination to a particular side. And that’s all I’m trying to say.

PS: talking about using both hands, a mouse/touchscreen player can also do that, but nobody really say that they were cheap and instead they only talk about the kb players

Kb players definitely aren’t cheap. You want to use it you use it, you don’t want to use it don’t. It’s after all an extension just like those here https://lichess.org/page/extend . It only shouldn’t affect lichess (especially (@)C9C9C9C9C9 ) by causing all strong ultrabullet players to quit playing ultrabullet and keep only the strong kb players.

At the end I personally am against kb, but if a user wants to use it I honestly don’t care and won’t block anyone for such things or call them various names (other that in joke with friends 😉)

I agree with most of what you said, there's just a few things I disagree. First is that with the keyboard, you still need to use the mouse, thus you can technically call it a mouseslip instead of a keyboard misclick. When you put your cursor on a square and press a key, you're likely to move your cursor the the wrong square because when you don't have time, your cursor became less accurate. And there is also one thing I notice about keyboard, which is that immediately after you made a premove, sometimes it automatically makes another premove with that same piece to another square that your cursor is on without you intentionally trying to move it there. For example. If I play e4 the first move, some times it's super super easy to mouse e5 as your next premove without intentionally trying to play it.

Also about material advantage. Sure, you cannot win if you flag, but at the same time, it's not easy to flag when you only have a king to move and your king is trapped by lots of other pieces. Having material advantage basically means that you have a higher chance to end the game by a checkmate. So this is more like a 50-50 since on one hand you get to mate others while on the other hand, you might not have enough time. This is similar to a 3+0/3+2 game where one side plays fast and the other side plays good. The side the plays good goes into an end game that is winning but has less time, while the side that plays fast will have more time in the endgame. So personally, I think it doesn't make that much difference and to be honest, I would prefer to have less time and get into a better position, because then I can use all the flagging skills without having to worry about illegal moves or getting mated.

@ZwischenzugX11 Just so that we are on the same page, which keyboard extension are you talking about?
This one?
https://lichess.org/forum/team-welcome-keyboard/how-to-install-keyboard-input
Or This one?
https://github.com/Sentero-esp12/Multi-Premoves-Mouse-Keyboard
Or This One?
https://imgur.com/yhPqHdw

I assume you are talking about the second one.