@Mrchess78 said in #9:
> It amazes me that so many people focus their gaze upon one or two political figures, while likely doing next to zero research as to why the world is the way it is!, these famous people are merely pieces in a living game, and most of us are merely the Pawns in the game (who incidentally do all the actual suffering) . So attacking one famous man constantly for everything he says and does simply further devides the Pawns, rendering them weaker and weaker, and when this world is finally the Orwellian nightmare a lot of people are sleepwalking into, they may well finally wake up. It's all far more complicated than one famous man. :).
Oh great, more deflecting from the topic :)
Feel free to open your own thread about the great manoeuvres of the kings and bishops to enlighten us all poor pawns :D
Kasparov, who now lives in the United States, compares the present reign of Trump to the early reign on Putin in Russia, where he used to live then.
@Gitananda said in #1:
> As a former soldier in the US Army, I remember watching films about this in basic training. Every soldier does indeed have a duty to defend the Constitution and disobey unlawful orders. So the Democratic lawmakers were simply reminding the service members to uphold their oaths and not engage in anything unlawful. Such exhortations are, in my opinion, constitutionally protected free speech.
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> 'In a feverish flurry of social media posts and reposts Thursday morning, President Donald Trump expressed support for imprisoning and executing a group of Democratic lawmakers for what he termed “seditious behavior.”
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> The behavior in question? Urging U.S. military service members to defend the U.S. Constitution and disobey orders that violate the law.'
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> ref: https://www.democracydocket.com/news-alerts/trump-calls-for-executing-democrats-over-message-to-military/
hmm that's weird.. aren't they supposed to be praised for what they did.. (instead there're getting executed)
@Noflaps said in #3:
> It's not Trump who started the distraction.
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> Which SPECIFIC laws, if any, did the law makers state were in danger of being broken?
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> Or was their video oddly vague and foreboding and politically convenient, but not very specific.
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> For the rest of the thread, it'll be interesting if anyone can actually state just which SPECIFIC laws, if any, those particular law makers stated, expressly, were feared to be in danger of being broken. Or were the laws, indeed, "unspecified."
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> And please note -- I'm not looking for what some future poster THINKS the law makers "meant" or "were thinking about" or "could have said, if they had wanted to." I'm looking for what the law makers ACTUALLY stated to be the laws in danger. If any. And if they couldn't be specific, what was the point?
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> I expect I might see downvotes or scathing laugh emojis long before seeing any actual answer to my question about specificity.
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> Let's see if I'm wrong. After all, that's always possible!
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> This subject seems to me to be consistent with what appears to be the talking point of the day. Fortunately, the American military doesn't really need such baleful lectures, I think. They aren't run by stupid people, and I believe they receive plenty of appropriate training. But I guess it might be good politics for some to lecture them anyway.
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> By the way, how about that latest jobs report, eh? :) Did that manage to make as much news? If no, I wonder why not?
you cant keep protecting trump.. cuz what he's doing is clear.. let's not even state the dark and scary stuff he does behind the scenes
@CoffeeBeanKiller said in #11:
> > It amazes me that so many people focus their gaze upon one or two political figures, while likely doing next to zero research as to why the world is the way it is!, these famous people are merely pieces in a living game, and most of us are merely the Pawns in the game (who incidentally do all the actual suffering) . So attacking one famous man constantly for everything he says and does simply further devides the Pawns, rendering them weaker and weaker, and when this world is finally the Orwellian nightmare a lot of people are sleepwalking into, they may well finally wake up. It's all far more complicated than one famous man. :).
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> Oh great, more deflecting from the topic :)
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> Feel free to open your own thread about the great manoeuvres of the kings and bishops to enlighten us all poor pawns :D
Don't shoot the messenger, but in real life, cognitive dissonance does no one any good.
"Deflecting from the topic", quite the opposite in fact, look into these things deeper and you'll find the answers as to why things are like they are, and it's not all to do with one famous man of which a lot of people keep focusing on as the sole cause of almost everything they don't like in the world. I'm not here to educate, but I feel it's my Human duty to point things out, which is certainly better than saying, "Trump's done this now, Trump's said that now, Trump's to blame for this now, Etc etc, I don't even live in America, but this kind of constant talk is getting old, and is causing exactly the kind of division that certain people long for. :).
#15
"point things out"
Isn't #1 "point things out"? Isn't that then good?
I was wondering when I'd see a thread about this.
Like every issue in the US right now, there seems to be two main ways of looking at it, with the interpretation being largely dependent on political affiliation.
Option 1: Trump is right-- Democrats shouldn't be posting propaganda targeting the military.
Option 2: Calling for political executions is wrong.
I do, to some extent, agree that the military shouldn't be targeted by propaganda, but at the same time, the military serves the people of the US-- the president's command of troops is derived from this principle, rather than superseding it. There has been quite a bit of concern of late about the president's use of the military, especially with regards to legally dubious deployment in US cities and naval strikes in the Western hemisphere. Military personnel are put in a tough situation in these cases, and they really shouldn't do anything that quite clearly violates the Constitution.
However, any time an official even suggests political executions in the US, I think an immediate censure needs to follow (at the very, very least).
The US is not a country that uses political executions. It has never been a country that uses political executions. It was designed to be the exact opposite of that. Pardon my French (both the profanity and quite possibly the syntax-- I used google translate), but anyone who feels obligated to stand up for that kind of nonsense on the basis of the political affiliation needs *aller te faire foutre*.
To anyone who feels like they should stand up for this kind of behavior by the president: why?
MAGA, as I understand it, is supposed to be about restoring America to its old glory. I may disagree with MAGA as a theory, but let's start from a common goal: I want America to be the best it can be, as well.
Given that, can we agree that anyone who makes public proclamations demanding the death of his enemies and political opponents is unfit to lead the United States? If not, why could this not be extended to me demanding the death of anyone who supports MAGA? It is the same principle, after all. I could just as easily make an argument that MAGA is treasonous.
I'm not saying that people have to alter their political beliefs to suit mine. What I AM saying is that people need to keep their morals about them when looking at this. I get that Republicans don't like Democrats. But I think that most Republicans despise tyranny. And, fundamentally, that's what this comes down to.
@what_game_is_this said in #16:
> #15
> "point things out"
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> Isn't #1 "point things out"? Isn't that then good?
It's about educating oneself about the world we live in as opposed to this kind of herd mentality of regurgitating what someone else said somewhere as truth without any personal research being carried out, it's lazy and dangerous, and I can think for myself and require no validation to bolster my stance, as I live in truth over illusion and delusion. :).
#18
Can you educate yourself without observing what leaders say and do, without observing the world?
@what_game_is_this said in #19:
> #18
> Can you educate yourself without observing what leaders say and do, without observing the world?
Observation is vital I agree, and that is a well chosen word, however, merely observing the world stage is not enough, we have to do our own research to understand how this world level mess occurred in the first place, instead of looking at the actors on the stage and pointing fingers at them and naively just saying thing like, "Yeah Trumps to blame. "
I'm waiting for someone to blame "Trump" for the possible "Earth" impact of "3i Atlas" at some point.