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@ThunderClap My father isa teacher for children with physical and mental disabilities and you are right they already giving up financial gain to help children and for all trumps other faults
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@Decaffeinated said in #13:
> The problem with your statement is that Trump is something of a folk Libertarian who is not that intent on limiting free speech or basic rights, and during his first term none of that happened. During his second term? Again, none of that is happening.
I don't understand why you say Trump is a libertarian. Trump's government follows the Project 2025 which was elaborated by the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank.
The top libertarian think tank in the US is the Cato institute, which has strongly denounced Trump's mass arrests and deportation. Quote the Cato institute:
> Most Americans are immigrants or descended from immigrants who sought opportunity and freedom on our shores. They and their children worked hard, assimilated, and added to our nation’s prosperity. Immigrants today continue to become Americans and, in the process, make the United States a wealthier, freer, and safer country. However, our current immigration system excludes most peaceful and healthy immigrants. Congress should look to America’s past for inspiration to expand and deregulate legal immigration.
https://www.cato.org/immigration
This is clearly a vision to which Trump does not adhere to.
@ThunderClap said in #19:
> The basic is ,,, Teachers & Nurses were just DEMOTED from professional status ... for no reason @Decaffeinated by the Trump Administration the very basic it's wrong is what it is
To clarify for everyone, Thunder Clap is concerned that for the purposes of student loans for new borrowers does not classify nursing students as 'professional students.'
Furthermore:
>Per the outlet, other professions not included are architects, accountants, educators, and social workers—which sector representatives pushed to be included in the list, given that they are high-demand occupations.
So, Thunder Clap feels that teachers & nurses are being personally insulted by this clarification in the policy...
But the real position of the GOP is one of fiscal conservatism and trying to take a practical approach to granting loans.
I would suggest this stuff isn't as big of a deal as ThunderClap says it is, but it is hard to say...
There might be an argument that this is really a big deal, but TC is not making that argument, even though it could theoretically exist.
Maybe someone else can state the case.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/full-list-of-degrees-not-classed-as-professional-by-trump-admin/ar-AA1QTbt6?ocid=BingNewsSerp
@MatDaBat204 said in #22:
> @ThunderClap My father isa teacher for children with physical and mental disabilities and you are right they already giving up financial gain to help children and for all trumps other faults
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This is not going to impact anyone already in this profession - it's basically a series of clarifications on what counts as a professional degree for the purposes of loan eligibility.
@twighead said in #18:
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> > > > > the only 'oligarchs' he goes against are those that don't want the US to become a one-party, fascist Christian nationalist state. Also who are these people you're talking about lmao, and also can you even vote in US elections
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> > > > The problem with your statement is that Trump is something of a folk Libertarian who is not that intent on limiting free speech or basic rights, and during his first term none of that happened. During his second term? Again, none of that is happening.
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> > > He's deported people for protesting, he deployed the marines against protestors in LA - his administration has introduced 41 anti-protesting bills in the last year. How is that not anti-1st amendment? How is deporting people who aren't from within 4000 miles of it- to fucking sudan without a trial not a violation of basic rights??
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> > > What is a folk libertarian? Someone that gives tax cuts to billionaires while cutting benefits for people actually need them - and spends billions on turning ICE into an army larger than most countries? It's big government - only for the wealthy.
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> > What's the content of these bills though..? Inform me as to how it is taking away the first amendment rights.
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> > Last I checked, the Democrats were very enthusiastic to point out that protests cannot interfere with offiical business or trespass on government property - in such a case they could even be seditious, right?
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> https://www.icnl.org/usprotestlawtracker/?location=&status=enacted&issue=&date=&type=legislative
> but in a gist - it's increased penalties for protesting near oil pipelines (clearly a fossil fuel bought bill after standing rock), up to 15 year prison sentence for wearing a mask, making it illegal to protest in a capital, allowing the sheriff or governor just say 'no' to gatherings over 20 people, increasing state power, decreasing areas where people "can" protest, increasing penalties for vague terms like "unlawful gathering" up to 10 years in prison. All of this is an assault on the right to gather.
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> Also never mentioned democrats, I'm against all restrictive acts
The website there is a real mountain of text I am not going to spend my afternoon reading.
I think you need to state your case very concretely & succinctly, not give me a 45-minute reading assignment that I have to complete to even be able to accurately state what you are saying is happening.
There are protests everywhere against ICE - we see videos of them on X and IG coming at us from NYC and Chicago and LA. None of these people are getting shot or facing draconian penalties. I've also seen cases where police officers who have used too much physical force are being investigated and such.
But this part is fun:
> I could care less what South Korea does - East Asia makes the redneck US look mild in its implicit racism and xenophobia. It's one thing to deport someone who is in your country, it's another thing to deport them to another country on another continent, with no money, no ability to speak the local language, in a war zone - which comprises essentially a death warrant. The el salvador prison also, is well known for having 'no one ever leave'. Complete waste of tax payer $$ not relative to the crime.
At least you are right here to some degree... Yes, the average East Asian has demonstrative in-group preference and group-esteem. But this is a feature, not a flaw. The average redneck in a deep red state is subjected to the social democrat programming rooted in humanist philosophy from the time they can watch TV - the children are molded to a specific standard of citizen that is meant to be actively metropolitan and affirming of all manner of lifestyles and viewpoints as part of their civic ehtics.
East Asia does not have this. The ethnostate largely remains, and even where they have moved beyond it, like in China, there remains the nation-state, and there is a civic culture that is actually based on traditional culture. It does not explicitly denigrate outsiders, but it lacks the passionate xenophilia and postmodernism of the West.
In short, it lacks the hyper-atomized character of Western cultures that necessitates moulding its citizens into being deracinated and prioritizes individual freedom over a moral consensus.
So be it! Good!
But is this really the basis of having BORDERS?
No.
The very free West had borders before and still maintained their rugged individualism. They can have borders again. It just requires dropping the social democratic indoctrination that is now actively brainwashing otherewise rational people into thinking that they absolutely have to tolerate Infinite Foreigners because, uhhh... It'd be racist to not let some guy who just showed up to make a buck live here forever, no questions asked.
@m011235 said in #23:
> > The problem with your statement is that Trump is something of a folk Libertarian who is not that intent on limiting free speech or basic rights, and during his first term none of that happened. During his second term? Again, none of that is happening.
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> I don't understand why you say Trump is a libertarian. Trump's government follows the Project 2025 which was elaborated by the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank.
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> The top libertarian think tank in the US is the Cato institute, which has strongly denounced Trump's mass arrests and deportation. Quote the Cato institute:
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> https://www.cato.org/immigration
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> This is clearly a vision to which Trump does not adhere to.
Your analysis is 100% correct.
But I said Trump is a folk Libertarian.
That is to say, he is someone who believes in the classical liberal principles but also in the general thrust of populism & common sense laws.
I also think it is important to recognize that folk Libertarianism is closer to the original American model than actual Libertarianism. For obvious reasons.
Because trump does not care about the people
@Ficheal said in #28:
> Because trump does not care about the people
Absolutely tremendous observation. Game changing. I had never considered this as a possibility.
I gotta go back to the drawing board & figure out what's going on.
Obviously @Ficheal said in #28:
> Because trump does not care about the people
One must also note that teachers for example need more not less support as well as nurses ...It occurs to anyone paying attention that having less nurses & teachers isn't going to be beneficial ... this is a direct result of this Bill