Do not attribute to malice an action which is easily explained by incompetence.

sounds like you are describing many key systemic problems affecting black people which we should certainly look at. that is great. we should definitely focus on that as much as possible. some of your other statements seem focused on defending the police from criticisms they receive, which seems less productive.

@lilyhollow said in #11:

sounds like you are describing many key systemic problems affecting black people which we should certainly look at. that is great. we should definitely focus on that as much as possible. some of your other statements seem focused on defending the police from criticisms they receive, which seems less productive.

It's almost as if intelligent opinions don't come in a black and white variety, but rather are nuanced.

well, in some sense you're right. for example, in this thread, you've made a couple of correct statements, but have also revealed that your main point is, to quote you: "Too many people talk about how the police are racists/sexists/dirty/violent/etc."

so on the one hand you say some correct things, on the other hand you make some deeply bizarre and ignorant claims. i suppose you could argue that that is pretty 'nuanced.' i'm more of the opinion that it's just a bit strange

@Tim_Pool said in #10:

Correlation does not imply causation.

Black people are poorer than the average American. Poorer people tend to commit more crimes. This is due to a lack of education, wealth, familial support, government support, among a long list of variables.

I'm not saying there aren't racist people out there, or racist police, I'm saying for the most part it has much less to do with skin color and more to do with the situation you were born in to.
Your original claim was that people claiming that the police is racists/sexists/dirty/violent/ (and let me complete: homophobic) are wrong.

So are you also saying that women and gay people also tend to commit more crimes than the average? And that you can be unintentionally violent?

@polylogarithmique said in #14:

So are you also saying that women and gay people also tend to commit more crimes than the average? And that you can be unintentionally violent?

Are women and gay people poor on average?

Can you provide some sort of statistical evidence to back up Hanlon’s razor? It always struck me as a BS excuse to let scumbags off the hook.

@Tim_Pool said in #15:

Are women and gay people poor on average?
Exactly. They are not. So your argument why the police would be abusive against them but not out of malice does not make sense.

@polylogarithmique said in #17:

Exactly. They are not. So your argument why the police would be abusive against them but not out of malice does not make sense.

I'm not quite sure what you mean. Are you suggesting police are systemically abusive towards women and homosexuals?

@Tim_Pool said in #18:

I'm not quite sure what you mean. Are you suggesting police are systemically abusive towards women and homosexuals?
I am. Furthermore, I also suggest that you were suggesting that people in general suggest that (since you included the adjective "sexist" in the OP).

@polylogarithmique said in #19:

I am. Furthermore, I also suggest that you were suggesting that people in general suggest that (since you included the adjective "sexist" in the OP).

I don't believe that police are unduly abusive towards women and gay people, so I think your argument string is not relevant.