Forums are designed for human-to-human discussion, not human-to-AI discussion.
Ban AI-generated text whenever possible in the forums.
Forums are designed for human-to-human discussion, not human-to-AI discussion.
Ban AI-generated text whenever possible in the forums.
In both cases (AI-generated texts in forums or blogs) the standard should be quality. If ChatGPT can produce high quality texts that flow naturally from the discussion, I don't see the issue.
The problem here is that people rarely intervene enough to write effective prompts beforehand or properly edit the generated text afterwards.
And I'm just as much against obvious GPT blogs as I am against GPT forum posts because they're always, always, always spam. Worse, they prevent users who write genuinely interesting things from being seen. I believe moderators should be far more strict with blogs, since Lichess blogs are becoming a funnel for some chess commercial ventures and because bad GPT text is easier to spot when it's long form.
Just my two cents, I can live around these things.
In both cases (AI-generated texts in forums or blogs) the standard should be quality. If ChatGPT can produce high quality texts that flow naturally from the discussion, I don't see the issue.
The problem here is that people rarely intervene enough to write effective prompts beforehand or properly edit the generated text afterwards.
And I'm just as much against obvious GPT blogs as I am against GPT forum posts because they're always, always, always spam. Worse, they prevent users who write genuinely interesting things from being seen. I believe moderators should be far more strict with blogs, since Lichess blogs are becoming a funnel for some chess commercial ventures and because bad GPT text is easier to spot when it's long form.
Just my two cents, I can live around these things.
Three is an xkcd webcomic about this: https://xkcd.com/810/
Three is an xkcd webcomic about this: https://xkcd.com/810/
@Toadofsky said in #13:
Three is an xkcd webcomic about this: xkcd.com/810/
Mission accomplished. All discussions are echo chambers and widely held (mis)conceptions cannot be challenged without being drowned out in the AI noise.
@Toadofsky said in #13:
> Three is an xkcd webcomic about this: xkcd.com/810/
Mission accomplished. All discussions are echo chambers and widely held (mis)conceptions cannot be challenged without being drowned out in the AI noise.
@Brian-E said in #1:
We've seen a number of postings in the forum recently which are clearly produced by ChatGPT. Are other people concerned about this development?
My own feelings are a bit mixed. I understand that ChatGPT is an incredibly useful tool to formulate text, and it allows some people to take part when they would otherwise be unable to do so. Writing what you want to say does not come easy for everyone, especially if it's in a language which is not your first. However, is the output, which is typically lengthy and in a style which is unnatural in a discussion, appropriate for the forum? To me it doesn't feel authentic. And I like to communicate with people, not with AI.
What about blog postings? Is the use of ChatGPT okay when formulating them? I'm a bit more liberal on that personally, because blogs aren't discussions (though the blogger may allow discussions about them on the forum).
I don't know of any policy on this platform regarding the use of AI tools to formulate text. Perhaps we need one?
I seen many FM'S, more than 5, that have been using some sort of ai to write exotic and unreadable text. many blogs have it and i hate it, where is the real human gone? lichess has to do something about this quickly before the website is filled with ai text!
@Brian-E said in #1:
> We've seen a number of postings in the forum recently which are clearly produced by ChatGPT. Are other people concerned about this development?
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> My own feelings are a bit mixed. I understand that ChatGPT is an incredibly useful tool to formulate text, and it allows some people to take part when they would otherwise be unable to do so. Writing what you want to say does not come easy for everyone, especially if it's in a language which is not your first. However, is the output, which is typically lengthy and in a style which is unnatural in a discussion, appropriate for the forum? To me it doesn't feel authentic. And I like to communicate with people, not with AI.
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> What about blog postings? Is the use of ChatGPT okay when formulating them? I'm a bit more liberal on that personally, because blogs aren't discussions (though the blogger may allow discussions about them on the forum).
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> I don't know of any policy on this platform regarding the use of AI tools to formulate text. Perhaps we need one?
I seen many FM'S, more than 5, that have been using some sort of ai to write exotic and unreadable text. many blogs have it and i hate it, where is the real human gone? lichess has to do something about this quickly before the website is filled with ai text!
here is one https://lichess.org/@/Alimpic/blog/chess-puzzles-and-problems-boosting-your-tactical-skills/nJOdzhFI i will share nothing more in case i violate some rule.
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@Toscani said in #17:
Search this on the web: "Help me write".
AI's are tools, without tools humans would still be living in caves. [...]
But the AI tools you are talking about do not help us write. They write for us so that we don't have to write at all.
Worse than that, they pool all sorts of baseless opinions which random people have written and present them as facts.
As the user of the tools you may select which of the "facts" you choose to copy and paste, but I believe a lot of people who use these tools can't even be bothered to do that.
Regarding the two videos you link, if you claim to have made them yourself presenting your own insights, I might be interested in watching them. If not, I'm not interested because I'd prefer to take up any issues with the maker of the videos who, presumably, isn't here to talk about them.
@Toscani said in #17:
> Search this on the web: "Help me write".
> AI's are tools, without tools humans would still be living in caves. [...]
But the AI tools you are talking about do not help us write. They write for us so that we don't have to write at all.
Worse than that, they pool all sorts of baseless opinions which random people have written and present them as facts.
As the user of the tools you may select which of the "facts" you choose to copy and paste, but I believe a lot of people who use these tools can't even be bothered to do that.
Regarding the two videos you link, if you claim to have made them yourself presenting your own insights, I might be interested in watching them. If not, I'm not interested because I'd prefer to take up any issues with the maker of the videos who, presumably, isn't here to talk about them.
@TotalNoob69 said in #2:
Some people cannot articulate their ideas in English as well as a native speaker. ChatGPT does a pretty good job translating stuff, even from bad English to good English. Besides, what are you afraid of? That a machine is going to generate a good forum post? Because bad forum posts we've learned to live with already...
online translators can translate people's text and keep the main idea quite accurately. I consider that the use of artificial intelligence to generate forum messages is worrying because i think that a forum is a human connection, where only a screen separates us. AI is a fantastic tool, especially in its learning capabilities, but AI is only capable of producing stereotypes of what we humans are capable of doing. It disappoints me to see that some people prefer this solution.
my English is pretty bad, and I admit that I regularly use the Cambridge dictionary to check the meaning of certain words or to find more interesting synonyms. but I would never use chatgpt because that would literally mean losing my personality when I write, and the whole process of writing and thinking.
@TotalNoob69 said in #2:
> Some people cannot articulate their ideas in English as well as a native speaker. ChatGPT does a pretty good job translating stuff, even from bad English to good English. Besides, what are you afraid of? That a machine is going to generate a good forum post? Because bad forum posts we've learned to live with already...
online translators can translate people's text and keep the main idea quite accurately. I consider that the use of artificial intelligence to generate forum messages is worrying because i think that a forum is a human connection, where only a screen separates us. AI is a fantastic tool, especially in its learning capabilities, but AI is only capable of producing stereotypes of what we humans are capable of doing. It disappoints me to see that some people prefer this solution.
my English is pretty bad, and I admit that I regularly use the Cambridge dictionary to check the meaning of certain words or to find more interesting synonyms. but I would never use chatgpt because that would literally mean losing my personality when I write, and the whole process of writing and thinking.