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Draw by timeout vs insufficient checkmating material?

#1

I (black) timed out, but my opponent did not have sufficient checkmating material. Why was this not a draw?

https://lichess.org/dcZTFDl4AIOs

I (black) timed out, but my opponent did not have sufficient checkmating material. Why was this not a draw? https://lichess.org/dcZTFDl4AIOs
#3

If only I had a dollar every time someone asks this...

Please see related posts for further discussion:
https://lichess.org/forum/lichess-feedback/insufficient-mating-material-6
https://lichess.org/forum/lichess-feedback/lichess-bug-bishop-vs-knight-is-a-theoretical-draw
https://lichess.org/forum/lichess-feedback/why-isnt-knight-vs-knight-auto-draw

If only I had a dollar every time someone asks this... Please see related posts for further discussion: https://lichess.org/forum/lichess-feedback/insufficient-mating-material-6 https://lichess.org/forum/lichess-feedback/lichess-bug-bishop-vs-knight-is-a-theoretical-draw https://lichess.org/forum/lichess-feedback/why-isnt-knight-vs-knight-auto-draw
#4

@pepellou said in #3:

If only I had a dollar every time someone asks this...

Fortunately I do (and now I'm rich!).

@pepellou said in #3: > If only I had a dollar every time someone asks this... Fortunately I do (and now I'm rich!).
#5

#1
Oh, not again!
Read my posts on those threads linked by @)pepellou. Also search up my old threads with keyword draw.
I have previously propsed a fool-proof method to use instead of stupid one that FIDE uses.
FIDE rule takes 'possible mate' into account instead of 'forced mate'. They simply don't explain why. And even engines suck at fortress positions (depsite using assumption of existence of perfect play) which are easily undertood by humans why is it so. They lack human thinking ability.

#1 Oh, not again! Read my posts on those threads linked by @)pepellou. Also search up my old threads with keyword draw. I have previously propsed a fool-proof method to use instead of stupid one that FIDE uses. FIDE rule takes 'possible mate' into account instead of 'forced mate'. They simply don't explain why. And even engines suck at fortress positions (depsite using assumption of existence of perfect play) which are easily undertood by humans why is it so. They lack human thinking ability.
#6

@Akbar2thegreat the system may be questionable, but at least it works the same for everyone.

@Akbar2thegreat the system may be questionable, but at least it works the same for everyone.
#7

FIDE rules are pretty simple. If you'll timeout, you'll lose. Unless checkmate is never possible, then the other player can never win and if they can never win, they cannot get the whole point.

Some may say it's not probable to get checkmate and so on, but then again if white times out here:
https://lichess.org/analysis/kr6/pp6/8/4P3/3P4/2P5/PP3QQ1/3K4_w_-_-_0_1
no one is going to complain, but it's as equally improbable that black would have won this.

Bottom line, time is part of the game, don't timeout if you don't want to lose on time.

FIDE rules are pretty simple. If you'll timeout, you'll lose. Unless checkmate is never possible, then the other player can never win and if they can never win, they cannot get the whole point. Some may say it's not probable to get checkmate and so on, but then again if white times out here: https://lichess.org/analysis/kr6/pp6/8/4P3/3P4/2P5/PP3QQ1/3K4_w_-_-_0_1 no one is going to complain, but it's as equally improbable that black would have won this. Bottom line, time is part of the game, don't timeout if you don't want to lose on time.
#8

@bufferunderrun said in #7:

FIDE rules are pretty simple. If you'll timeout, you'll lose. Unless checkmate is never possible, then the other player can never win and if they can never win, they cannot get the whole point.

Some may say it's not probable to get checkmate and so on, but then again if white times out here:
lichess.org/analysis/kr6/pp6/8/4P3/3P4/2P5/PP3QQ1/3K4_w_-_-_0_1
no one is going to complain, but it's as equally improbable that black would have won this.

Bottom line, time is part of the game, don't timeout if you don't want to lose on time.

Why did you give Black a whole rook and White just two queens?

@bufferunderrun said in #7: > FIDE rules are pretty simple. If you'll timeout, you'll lose. Unless checkmate is never possible, then the other player can never win and if they can never win, they cannot get the whole point. > > Some may say it's not probable to get checkmate and so on, but then again if white times out here: > lichess.org/analysis/kr6/pp6/8/4P3/3P4/2P5/PP3QQ1/3K4_w_-_-_0_1 > no one is going to complain, but it's as equally improbable that black would have won this. > > Bottom line, time is part of the game, don't timeout if you don't want to lose on time. Why did you give Black a whole rook and White just two queens?
#9

@Cedur216 said in #6:

@Akbar2thegreat the system may be questionable, but at least it works the same for everyone.
It's like discrimination. Against everyone but it itself is terrible and poor. Hope you understand.
Why to use poor system then?

@Cedur216 said in #6: > @Akbar2thegreat the system may be questionable, but at least it works the same for everyone. It's like discrimination. Against everyone but it itself is terrible and poor. Hope you understand. Why to use poor system then?

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