Can't create game with specific side any more

@BeDecentForAChange said in #580:

Nope, but if they try to use financial pressure to get an unfair advantage, it's not a donation

Oh, well ...

Where can we find the statistic, that shows the ecaxt numbers of all Lichess white games and black games over the years? I guess, you already worked with it to be sure about what you say here?

@purifier said in #579:

I'll put this short:

1. From UI perspective, it's a 100% bug. At least don't show white/black in the menu anymore, but only random.
2. I would have allowed choosing color at least on casual games. If you don't, after years of great experience with lichess, I'll have to move to chess.com, and most probably so would many others.

1. Not exactly. The options is actually still available site-wide for invited games and against Bots. There could be a case made for conditional rendering of the button based on it's eligibility for usage. However, having a disabled button on options where it needs to be disabled, is not a UI bug.

2. An argument could be made for keeping it on for casual games. One could also argue that it does not offer a fair playing field then, for casual players. Or, perhaps the cost of maintaining that feature in an encapsulated way is too costly for the benefit

@purifier said in #579:

2. I would have allowed choosing color at least on casual games.

There is no money for it to make a better code and on the other hand, here was said, donations of white players are not needed.

See this:

@BeDecentForAChange said in #574:

If they cut financial support to try to force Lichess to support abusers, I guess them leaving is good thing.

@BeDecentForAChange said in #582:

1. Not exactly. The options is actually still available site-wide for invited games and against Bots. There could be a case made for conditional rendering of the button based on it's eligibility for usage. However, having a disabled button on options where it needs to be disabled, is not a UI bug.

But the options are NOT disabled!
The user can practically choose a certain color and be assigned the opposite color! That's a bug.

2. An argument could be made for keeping it on for casual games. One could also argue that it does not offer a fair playing field then, for casual players. Or, perhaps the cost of maintaining that feature in an encapsulated way is too costly for the benefit

@Sofia-Mary said in #583:

There is no money for it to make a better code and on the other side, here was said, donations of white players are not needed.
No, wrong again. The code is already working perfectly like I tried to explain to you earlier. It is allowing fair use and has shut down abusers.

And irrespective of their preferred color. Trying to force Lichess financially is not a donation, good riddance if they demand special treatment

@purifier said in #584:

But the options are NOT disabled!
The user can practically choose a certain color and be assigned the opposite color! That's a bug.

That sounds odd. The buttons should be greyed out and disabled on game creation. So you're saying that you are still able to actually create a game and select a color (It should only have middle button for random color available, the other two for black and white are disabled for everyone). If that's not the case, it is indeed a bug (except for invites and AI games)/

If that's the case, please share the browser version you are using so it can be replicated

@BeDecentForAChange are you a mod? do you represent lichess in your statements?

@F-35_Raptor said in #587:

@BeDecentForAChange are you a mod? do you represent lichess in your statements?

I represent myself in all of my statements, and can not be considered moderate by any meaning of the word

do you not believe lichess should give an official statement?

@F-35_Raptor said in #589:

do you not believe lichess should give an official statement?

Yes and no, I wouldn't say they should though. Thibault was in clear in why he removed it, there's nothing more to add to it in terms of explaining that. However, to be done with all the arguing around the subject, I suppose an official statement could be helpful.
It could also fan the flames even more, not sure what would be wise there.