Bug: Unable to Spectate Tournament games when blocked by a user

@QueenRosieMary said in #20:

I'm not a fan of people explaining how to circumvent an anti-stalking safety measure.
You mean me explaining what a no brainer thought is?
There are always hacks to get past stuff and there always will be.
You must accept that as a fact

@WildWizard said in #21:

You mean me explaining what a no brainer thought is?
There are always hacks to get past stuff and there always will be.
You must accept that as a fact

Yes, there are ways to get past stuff, like stalkers making new accounts to stalk on, doesn't make it right though.

@QueenRosieMary said in #22:

Yes, there are ways to get past stuff, like stalkers making new accounts to stalk on, doesn't make it right though.
Thats true but the facts are still here tho. And yes it's not right at all But I am only sharing common knowledge that everyone knows.
With IP bans there are simple and effective way's to get past that. I mean this stuff exists. There is NO possible way we can Truly ban someone from an online platform.

@WildWizard said in #23:

Thats true but the facts are still here tho. And yes it's not right at all But I am only sharing common knowledge that everyone knows.
With IP bans there are simple and effective way's to get past that. I mean this stuff exists. There is NO possible way we can Truly ban someone from an online platform.

Everyone doesn't know (the OP for example), so let's not make sure that the few people who didn't know how to get round spectating the games of their victims can now do so easily by explaining it to them in a forum

@QueenRosieMary said in #20:

I'm not a fan of people explaining how to circumvent an anti-stalking safety measure.
I have to admit that I do not understand your problem now. If such user spectates your game while not logged in, he/she is not shown in the spectator list and AFAIK he/she cannot write comments to the spectator chat either. In other words, his/her presence does not affect you in any way. All the time I thought the problem is seeing the name of such user in the spectator list (during the game) or his/her comments in the game chat (after the game finishes). But if even watching anonymously (unlogged) is perceived as "stalking", then I'm afraid all I can say is that preventing that is obviously impossible and this whole discussion is pointless.

@QueenRosieMary said in #24:

Everyone doesn't know (the OP for example)
Maybe. Or maybe they do know but (like me) they believe that watching a game should not be disallowed just because one of the players decided to block me/them/you for whatever reason and that it should be possible without such workarounds.

If I have a stalker that wants to watch my games so badly they log out to do it undetected, that is still stalking, even if I am not aware of it. If a creepy guy is standing outside my window, looking in, but it is dark and I can't see him, does it mean he is not really there if I can't see him? Of course he is still there, and still doing something wrong.

If someone is watching your game anonymously, you can still see "anon" in the spectator room, which isn't always terribly reassuring, especially if there is someone (other than your friends) in the habit of watching your games.

If this is how you see it, I don't see any sense for me to continue with this thread of discussion because it's quite obvious that there is no solution that would prevent everything you perceive as stalking.

Hopefully I have made my point clearly enough and now it's up to everyone to make their mind. I understand that there is almost no chance the questionable feature will be reverted so that all I can do is to hope I will be hit by it only rarely.

Safety features are added for safety reasons. This isn't about "everything you perceive as stalking", this is a feature with life-or-death consequences on the line in a minority of cases. We don't ignore a minority for profit or simply because they are a minority; we're not US Chess and we're not FIDE.

As a streamer I've received questions from players about what country I'm from, and I've received death threats from people who don't like me. If a player reports another player for alleged rule-breaking, we're not going to fuck around with potential safety risks, however slight those may be. We are going to err on the side of caution, even if this inconveniences other players.

Lichess also takes seriously accessibility features for blind players despite the great difficulty involved supporting that for a minority of players.

@Toadofsky said in #16:

On social media sites it can be difficult to assess how much danger a person being stalked is in. Students at a school (or a college, or an airport, etc.) being able to stalk another player could know when the to-be decadent is in a library/computer room/terminal, and from a distance home in on their target. The risk of something terrible happening is incalculable, and the benefit of allowing stalking to continue is so marginal, that it's absurd to entertain your suggestion of relying on written law (guilt or innocence) for guidance.

Chess players are especially notorious for being dangerous, and chess organizations are slow to react even after terrible things occur...
www.wsj.com/articles/alejandro-ramirez-jennifer-shahade-chess-allegations-622263b8
lichess.org/@/Lichess/blog/breaking-the-silence/ZNTniBEA
www.chess.com/news/view/christopher-yoo-temporary-fide-ban-new-harassment-allegation

@mkubecek said in #25:

I have to admit that I do not understand your problem now. If such user spectates your game while not logged in, he/she is not shown in the spectator list and AFAIK he/she cannot write comments to the spectator chat either. In other words, his/her presence does not affect you in any way. All the time I thought the problem is seeing the name of such user in the spectator list (during the game) or his/her comments in the game chat (after the game finishes). But if even watching anonymously (unlogged) is perceived as "stalking", then I'm afraid all I can say is that preventing that is obviously impossible and this whole discussion is pointless.

Facts were spoken right in this ^^^ post :)