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Why so few 15+10 tournaments?

#21

Thanks for the data you provided @petri999.

I would say it is fair to compare time-wise roughly similar time controls, 3+0 vs 2+1, 5+0 vs 3+2 and 10+0 vs 5+3.

Let us assume that we want our tournament time controls to reflect the time controls that people normally play. Why would we want to have it otherwise?

Based on the data you provided one could say that during a given time frame the following statements should apply:
The number of 2+1 tournaments should be about 33% of the number of 3+0 tournaments.
The number of 3+2 tournaments should be about 63% of the number of 5+0 tournaments.
The number of 5+3 tournaments should be about 52% of the number of 10+0 tournaments.

We are quite far from this now.

Thanks for the data you provided @petri999. I would say it is fair to compare time-wise roughly similar time controls, 3+0 vs 2+1, 5+0 vs 3+2 and 10+0 vs 5+3. Let us assume that we want our tournament time controls to reflect the time controls that people normally play. Why would we want to have it otherwise? Based on the data you provided one could say that during a given time frame the following statements should apply: The number of 2+1 tournaments should be about 33% of the number of 3+0 tournaments. The number of 3+2 tournaments should be about 63% of the number of 5+0 tournaments. The number of 5+3 tournaments should be about 52% of the number of 10+0 tournaments. We are quite far from this now.
#22

This would be unpopular for most people because it is much easier to control your and time and not lose in 3+2 but it is not in 5+0. More 3+2 than 5+0 would simply just be wrong.

This would be unpopular for most people because it is much easier to control your and time and not lose in 3+2 but it is not in 5+0. More 3+2 than 5+0 would simply just be wrong.
#23

This would be unpopular for most people
Isn't it easier to let the statistics show what time controls are popular than to go by feeling?
People who do not like increment tournaments would of course not have to join. Or do you think 3+2 tournaments would steal too many players from 5+0 tournaments?

it is much easier to control your and time and not lose in 3+2 but it is not in 5+0.
Yes I agree, time management is harder in 5+0. I do not see why this is relevant here.

More 3+2 than 5+0 would simply just be wrong.
Yes you are right, it would be wrong since the data does not support it. There should be roughly twice as many 5+0 tournaments compared to 3+2 tournaments.

> This would be unpopular for most people Isn't it easier to let the statistics show what time controls are popular than to go by feeling? People who do not like increment tournaments would of course not have to join. Or do you think 3+2 tournaments would steal too many players from 5+0 tournaments? > it is much easier to control your and time and not lose in 3+2 but it is not in 5+0. Yes I agree, time management is harder in 5+0. I do not see why this is relevant here. > More 3+2 than 5+0 would simply just be wrong. Yes you are right, it would be wrong since the data does not support it. There should be roughly twice as many 5+0 tournaments compared to 3+2 tournaments.
#24

there cannot wrong or rights is this sort of issue. But if had choose one of these 3+2 these days current preferred blitz time limit of FIDE and hence I think that is strong argument for its favor

there cannot wrong or rights is this sort of issue. But if had choose one of these 3+2 these days current preferred blitz time limit of FIDE and hence I think that is strong argument for its favor
#25

@doublecheck-j said in #23:
It would be wrong since the data does not support it. There should be roughly twice as many 5+0 tournaments compared to 3+2 tournaments.

This is because you are much less likely to run out of time in 3+2 than 5+0.

@doublecheck-j said in #23: It would be wrong since the data does not support it. There should be roughly twice as many 5+0 tournaments compared to 3+2 tournaments. This is because you are much less likely to run out of time in 3+2 than 5+0.
#26

So, returning to the topic of 15+10...

When estimating time control popularity, the average time of each game needs to be taken into account and not just the number of games. When looking at it from this perspective I think the game statistics would also support the idea of a daily slow rapid tournament. Maybe it could alternate between 15+10 and 10+5 in some way.

So, returning to the topic of 15+10... When estimating time control popularity, the average time of each game needs to be taken into account and not just the number of games. When looking at it from this perspective I think the game statistics would also support the idea of a daily slow rapid tournament. Maybe it could alternate between 15+10 and 10+5 in some way.
#27

This would be a good idea but lichess doesn't like putting in slow arena's. This is because not only can people cheat but they would need to make the tournaments significantly longer for these slower time controls. Lichess I don't think will be changing time controls in their arena's anytime soon.

This would be a good idea but lichess doesn't like putting in slow arena's. This is because not only can people cheat but they would need to make the tournaments significantly longer for these slower time controls. Lichess I don't think will be changing time controls in their arena's anytime soon.

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