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So I was playing in a tournament, my opponent didn't show up until they had about 2 mins to go, then blitzed out moves and was totally winning , my last move was a pawn move to finish his time, is this flagging?(an opponent)and was it wrong of me?I don't know. Is it frowned upon or a legitimate way of winning, what's the ettiquette on this ?

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Thanks for replies in advance xxx

So I was playing in a tournament, my opponent didn't show up until they had about 2 mins to go, then blitzed out moves and was totally winning , my last move was a pawn move to finish his time, is this flagging?(an opponent)and was it wrong of me?I don't know. Is it frowned upon or a legitimate way of winning, what's the ettiquette on this ? https://lichess.org/UB54pahXnNz1 Thanks for replies in advance xxx

mcgoves

#2

@SOJB said in #1:

So I was playing in a tournament, my opponent didn't show up until they had about 2 mins to go

Your opponent already broke all the rules of etiquette.

@SOJB said in #1: > So I was playing in a tournament, my opponent didn't show up until they had about 2 mins to go Your opponent already broke all the rules of etiquette.

SOJB edited

#3

@mcgoves said in #2:

Your opponent already broke all the rules of etiquette.
True so it wasn't bad I made his time run out then?............no xxx

@mcgoves said in #2: > Your opponent already broke all the rules of etiquette. True so it wasn't bad I made his time run out then?............no xxx

JuicyChickenNO1

#4

The clock is a piece. Use all of your pieces to win. If somebody says the clock isn't a piece, they're playing a piece down. Some people complain about flagging, but most often they're just salty because they got flagged. It's a skill issue. If you apologize for flagging, that will reinforce a sense of entitlement that some players have.

SOJB

#5

@JuicyChickenNO1 said in #4:

The clock is a piece. Use all of your pieces to win. If somebody says the clock isn't a piece, they're playing a piece down. Some people complain about flagging, but most often they're just salty because they got flagged. It's a skill issue. If you apologize for flagging, that will reinforce a sense of entitlement that some players have.

So flagging is forcing them out of time , ok , and that's legit then , ok .

@JuicyChickenNO1 said in #4: > The clock is a piece. Use all of your pieces to win. If somebody says the clock isn't a piece, they're playing a piece down. Some people complain about flagging, but most often they're just salty because they got flagged. It's a skill issue. If you apologize for flagging, that will reinforce a sense of entitlement that some players have. So flagging is forcing them out of time , ok , and that's legit then , ok .

ungewichtet

#6

It seems you played like a dozen moves to finish their time but I would not worry. You waited for 28 minutes. It is a race from their first move on, you cannot play a normal game yourself under these circumstances. You surely could not add time in a tournament game. If you had been brilliantly outplayed, it might have occured to you to resign in acknowledgement. But here? You cannot just change horses and say 'Ah, now they are finally too far ahead, now I should not flag them anymore'- this is played to the end. The small pawn move flagging was pretty funny, maybe was not detected. I say all this all sympathizing with the losing side, they played a strong game under the circumstances. But even they probably want to win this by mate, and not by 'resigns', so, really, I guess everything is fine.

@JuicyChickenNO1 said in #4:

The clock is a piece. Use all of your pieces to win. If somebody says the clock isn't a piece, they're playing a piece down.
Oh, I like that

It seems you played like a dozen moves to finish their time but I would not worry. You waited for 28 minutes. It is a race from their first move on, you cannot play a normal game yourself under these circumstances. You surely could not add time in a tournament game. If you had been brilliantly outplayed, it might have occured to you to resign in acknowledgement. But here? You cannot just change horses and say 'Ah, now they are finally too far ahead, now I should not flag them anymore'- this is played to the end. The small pawn move flagging was pretty funny, maybe was not detected. I say all this all sympathizing with the losing side, they played a strong game under the circumstances. But even they probably want to win this by mate, and not by 'resigns', so, really, I guess everything is fine. @JuicyChickenNO1 said in #4: > The clock is a piece. Use all of your pieces to win. If somebody says the clock isn't a piece, they're playing a piece down. Oh, I like that

SOJB

#7

@ungewichtet said in #6:

It seems you played like a dozen moves to finish their time but I would not worry. You waited for 28 minutes. It is a race from their first move on, you cannot play a normal game yourself under these circumstances. You surely could not add time in a tournament game. If you had been brilliantly outplayed, it might have occured to you to resign in acknowledgement. But here? You cannot just change horses and say 'Ah, now they are finally too far ahead, now I should not flag them anymore'- this is played to the end. The small pawn move flagging was pretty funny, maybe was not detected. I say all this all sympathizing with the losing side, they played a strong game under the circumstances. But even they probably want to win this by mate, and not by 'resigns', so, really, I guess everything is fine.
My pawn move not 'detected' so is against ToS ? You're saying flagging wrong? Opposite view?

@ungewichtet said in #6: > It seems you played like a dozen moves to finish their time but I would not worry. You waited for 28 minutes. It is a race from their first move on, you cannot play a normal game yourself under these circumstances. You surely could not add time in a tournament game. If you had been brilliantly outplayed, it might have occured to you to resign in acknowledgement. But here? You cannot just change horses and say 'Ah, now they are finally too far ahead, now I should not flag them anymore'- this is played to the end. The small pawn move flagging was pretty funny, maybe was not detected. I say all this all sympathizing with the losing side, they played a strong game under the circumstances. But even they probably want to win this by mate, and not by 'resigns', so, really, I guess everything is fine. My pawn move not 'detected' so is against ToS ? You're saying flagging wrong? Opposite view?

SOJB

#8

Can't see anything about it in ToS

dnowmects

#9

If flagging was wrong we wouldn't use clocks, we'd all play Correspondence all the time.

My personal take is, if the game is obviously drawn, you should accept the draw instead of trying to flag. But if the game is live, play to win, and if the only way to win is confusing time burners then play confusing time burners.

The best feeling in the world is winning on time against an opponent who deliberately threw away their time.

If flagging was wrong we wouldn't use clocks, we'd all play Correspondence all the time. My personal take is, if the game is obviously drawn, you should accept the draw instead of trying to flag. But if the game is live, play to win, and if the only way to win is confusing time burners then play confusing time burners. The best feeling in the world is winning on time against an opponent who deliberately threw away their time.

ungewichtet

#10

@SOJB
I find it sometimes hard in time trouble to see if a move was played at all or not. So your small pawn step on the unimportant wing falls into the category 'hard to detect'. A true silent move to cap off the game. Good fun and nothing about TOS at all.

@SOJB I find it sometimes hard in time trouble to see if a move was played at all or not. So your small pawn step on the unimportant wing falls into the category 'hard to detect'. A true silent move to cap off the game. Good fun and nothing about TOS at all.