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In 2 rooks vs queen, it depends upon the situation. If the opponent king is weak and the rooks can't coordinate then queen is better. It matters mainly upon the coordination of the rooks. Also some books say bishop=3.5
Rook is 5 points, queen is 9 points. 5 + 5 +1 (pawn) is not 9. I wonder why lichess does this incorrectly?
@Divyesh_B It always depends upon the situation. ;)
@efreixar said in #1:
> I thought that 2 rooks = Queen
> However lichess gives:
>
> Rook + rook + pawn = Queen
>
> Why?
Inaccurate. There is a common known value of the pieces, but the value of the pieces is dynamic. Each move may enable, disable, lower or increase their value, So you do refer to that known value system, but at the end of the day, you do have to take into account the activity, or potential activity the piece may have in the future. So you have to made decisions on specific positions, rather than generalizations, because you might have bishops that are worth more than rooks, knights more valuable than queens, or a lonely pawn that is not going anywhere, but is tying up a major piece, rendering it useless.
Gauging the correct value of the pieces on a given position and being able to evaluate if you just trade them, save them for later, reroute them or keeping them taking passive roles for a couple of moves is what makes the difference between intermediate-advanced players and titled players.
Its a very hard skill to master, and even the engines struggle once in a while.
> I thought that 2 rooks = Queen
> However lichess gives:
>
> Rook + rook + pawn = Queen
>
> Why?
Inaccurate. There is a common known value of the pieces, but the value of the pieces is dynamic. Each move may enable, disable, lower or increase their value, So you do refer to that known value system, but at the end of the day, you do have to take into account the activity, or potential activity the piece may have in the future. So you have to made decisions on specific positions, rather than generalizations, because you might have bishops that are worth more than rooks, knights more valuable than queens, or a lonely pawn that is not going anywhere, but is tying up a major piece, rendering it useless.
Gauging the correct value of the pieces on a given position and being able to evaluate if you just trade them, save them for later, reroute them or keeping them taking passive roles for a couple of moves is what makes the difference between intermediate-advanced players and titled players.
Its a very hard skill to master, and even the engines struggle once in a while.
now I'm starting to doubt if a pawn is really worth 1 point...
@Alientcp Very well put. I agree entirely
@Alientcp. Very well said
@EwoudUtrecht said in #16:
> now I'm starting to doubt if a pawn is really worth 1 point...
White pawns on e7, d6 and c7 with an empty square d7 could have a slightly higher value than one point each.
> now I'm starting to doubt if a pawn is really worth 1 point...
White pawns on e7, d6 and c7 with an empty square d7 could have a slightly higher value than one point each.
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