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I watched streaming of one guy last night and amazed to see that he was accusing cheating to everyone he lost including a lot of Titled players.

I watched about 8 games of his stream in Arena, and there was like 3-4 reports of cheat accusation and 3 players were already blocked by him ( of course he already reported before ).

If public shaming on forum is not allowed, then streamers doing name shaming should not be allowed.

Come on, there are online cheaters but not like 80-90% his opponents are not cheaters . In fact statistics of one other online website shows that it was like 1%.

Restricting cheating report ticket or barring cheating accusation for a few period should be implemented to deter such unacceptable behaviour.

I watched streaming of one guy last night and amazed to see that he was accusing cheating to everyone he lost including a lot of Titled players. I watched about 8 games of his stream in Arena, and there was like 3-4 reports of cheat accusation and 3 players were already blocked by him ( of course he already reported before ). If public shaming on forum is not allowed, then streamers doing name shaming should not be allowed. Come on, there are online cheaters but not like 80-90% his opponents are not cheaters . In fact statistics of one other online website shows that it was like 1%. Restricting cheating report ticket or barring cheating accusation for a few period should be implemented to deter such unacceptable behaviour.

Vegemite_Fighter

#2

There is a lot of very stupid accusing on Lichess. A few weeks ago I was playing and someone was commenting in Russian. I saw that afterwards and put it through Google translate; the spectator was saying that I was a cheat. That is bunkum; I lose games and my accuracy statistics are pretty terrible. But amidst all that if I get a position that I understand I can do something.

People seem to want to throw around baseless accusations. I didn't play chess for about 10 years because of Chess.com's baseless accusations that I talked about in the chess.com is mean forum.

When sites accuse someone you have the right to know which games are involved. Not that Danny Rensch and chess.com have any concept of that.

There is a lot of very stupid accusing on Lichess. A few weeks ago I was playing and someone was commenting in Russian. I saw that afterwards and put it through Google translate; the spectator was saying that I was a cheat. That is bunkum; I lose games and my accuracy statistics are pretty terrible. But amidst all that if I get a position that I understand I can do something. People seem to want to throw around baseless accusations. I didn't play chess for about 10 years because of Chess.com's baseless accusations that I talked about in the chess.com is mean forum. When sites accuse someone you have the right to know which games are involved. Not that Danny Rensch and chess.com have any concept of that.

Senile-dementia edited

#3

@drmrboss
@Vegemite_Fighter
There is a a huge percentage of players that cheat In lichess and Chess.com that for some strange reasons dont get banned. That is 100% sure. ( they are using cheat programs/bots when they are in trouble and/or from the middle game). A big amount of kids do this. And this is a massive problem for online Chess. Those who comes with statements that ;we that claim this is just sore loosers, or dont know what we are talking about, Those people need to really wake up, or just piss off!

Here is proof:
From an article about the European online Chess tournament that took place recently, for two months ago (may 2020): « In the ongoing European online chess championship, over 80 players have been disqualified for violating fair play rules. Six out of the top 10 players -- there were five age groups in all -- were caught cheating. They were disqualified despite operating from a distance.»
Link:
www.google.no/amp/s/mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/sport/others/european-online-chess-championship-over-80-players-disqualified-for-violating-fair-play-rules/amp_articleshow/75910673.cms

From another article: « Five out of the six players who took the first six places in the 1400–1700 category of the European Online Championship were subsequently disqualified.» (for cheating)

www.chesstech.org/files/ecu-final-table.480.jpeg

www.chesstech.org/2020/can-online-chess-overcome-cheating/

@drmrboss @Vegemite_Fighter There is a a huge percentage of players that cheat In lichess and Chess.com that for some strange reasons dont get banned. That is 100% sure. ( they are using cheat programs/bots when they are in trouble and/or from the middle game). A big amount of kids do this. And this is a massive problem for online Chess. Those who comes with statements that ;we that claim this is just sore loosers, or dont know what we are talking about, Those people need to really wake up, or just piss off! Here is proof: From an article about the European online Chess tournament that took place recently, for two months ago (may 2020): « In the ongoing European online chess championship, over 80 players have been disqualified for violating fair play rules. Six out of the top 10 players -- there were five age groups in all -- were caught cheating. They were disqualified despite operating from a distance.» Link: www.google.no/amp/s/mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/sport/others/european-online-chess-championship-over-80-players-disqualified-for-violating-fair-play-rules/amp_articleshow/75910673.cms From another article: « Five out of the six players who took the first six places in the 1400–1700 category of the European Online Championship were subsequently disqualified.» (for cheating) www.chesstech.org/files/ecu-final-table.480.jpeg www.chesstech.org/2020/can-online-chess-overcome-cheating/

Senile-dementia

#4

Talking about cheaters: For five minutes ago I was notified that I was refunded 5 rating points cause I lost to a cheater!

drmrboss edited

#5

@Senile-dementia , how many ratio did you get refund from cheaters?I bet you get 1:100 games or 1:1000 games, Isnt it?

I have no interest in a small sample size of data for reference, Just give me a report of sample size of a few millions data ( at least based on 10,000).

If 50% of people cheat online, there will be no 3000+ elo people in any online website as Carlsen or anyone will lose 50% of their games against cheaters. The highest possible elo in this case will be 1700-1800.

@Senile-dementia , how many ratio did you get refund from cheaters?I bet you get 1:100 games or 1:1000 games, Isnt it? I have no interest in a small sample size of data for reference, Just give me a report of sample size of a few millions data ( at least based on 10,000). If 50% of people cheat online, there will be no 3000+ elo people in any online website as Carlsen or anyone will lose 50% of their games against cheaters. The highest possible elo in this case will be 1700-1800.

Megadoggah

#6

Soooo stop watching Gatas stream then....

drmrboss

#7

@Megadoggah , Your narrow attude like "This is my own channel, I can do anything " is right only if he doesnt do damage to others' reputation.

Megadoggah edited

#8

@drmrboss 1. He is a fucking legend 2. he has a mature audience warning on his stream 3. your the one doing public shaming 4. Nobodys reputation is damaged by Gata raging

drmrboss edited

#9

@Megadoggah , I did not mention any name. Delete his name in your post if you can. You are not allowed to do " naming and shaming in public posts". I am just doing discussion about " public shaming" in general.

Z49910150

#10

@Megadoggah But drmrboss never publicly shamed anyone or name-dropped, he never mentioned individual people so give him a break, YOU are the one to mention Kamsky, you hypocrite!

I agree, there is too much blaming here, especially when people blunder horribly and then starting accusing you of cheating because they screwed up their position and lost the game...

I CAN'T WAIT for otb chess to come back, i'm falling out of love with online chess for reasons like this, every time i do well in a tournament people start sh*tting their pants and crying cheat, bad sportsmanship.

@Megadoggah But drmrboss never publicly shamed anyone or name-dropped, he never mentioned individual people so give him a break, YOU are the one to mention Kamsky, you hypocrite! I agree, there is too much blaming here, especially when people blunder horribly and then starting accusing you of cheating because they screwed up their position and lost the game... I CAN'T WAIT for otb chess to come back, i'm falling out of love with online chess for reasons like this, every time i do well in a tournament people start sh*tting their pants and crying cheat, bad sportsmanship.