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http://fr.lichess.org/training/15421
I find a mate in 5 moves and Lichess mate in 4 moves so I lost 18 points because of this, the same for a player who didn't see anything...

Qca5+ Rd7 2. Q5d8 Ke6 3. Qg8+ Kd7 and here tired (lol) i play quickly 4. Qf7+ mate next move or we have 4. Qad8 mate so BING and RED you have lost 18 points !!
Why this hatred ? :-)
Sometimes the program said you : your move is good but not the good move but here ??? Very discouraging....

http://fr.lichess.org/training/15421 I find a mate in 5 moves and Lichess mate in 4 moves so I lost 18 points because of this, the same for a player who didn't see anything... 1. Qca5+ Rd7 2. Q5d8 Ke6 3. Qg8+ Kd7 and here tired (lol) i play quickly 4. Qf7+ mate next move or we have 4. Qad8 mate so BING and RED you have lost 18 points !! Why this hatred ? :-) Sometimes the program said you : your move is good but not the good move but here ??? Very discouraging....

FMSanMarco

#2

Sometimes the program accepts a winning move but not the better and sometimes you win a rook and you lost 20 points (RED) because you have to win a rook and a knight. But in the two lines my opponent resigns in a real game. So.......

Hydracentaurus

#3

yes indeed Bruno, i hope they input more alternative (BLUE) moves in all the puzzles to make it more human in the whole term

sakram07

#4

Agree.

As much as I love playing in lichess, I need to admit that tactics puzzles are thrash.

It's not about how you win. It's about do you win at all.

Agree. As much as I love playing in lichess, I need to admit that tactics puzzles are thrash. It's not about how you win. It's about do you win at all.

FMSanMarco

#5

http://fr.lichess.org/training/59171
I continue these puzzles to train myself but what self-abnegation is it necessary ? He wants the best move ! A completely winning continuation is punished. So in the situation above : 1. Ba6 + Qb7 2. Bxb7 is the best solution but 2. Rxd8 + (play in blitz) remaining with two bishops against nothing is considered as a bad answer: you lost 21 points ! You have missed !! Disturbing !!

http://fr.lichess.org/training/59171 I continue these puzzles to train myself but what self-abnegation is it necessary ? He wants the best move ! A completely winning continuation is punished. So in the situation above : 1. Ba6 + Qb7 2. Bxb7 is the best solution but 2. Rxd8 + (play in blitz) remaining with two bishops against nothing is considered as a bad answer: you lost 21 points ! You have missed !! Disturbing !!

JacquesD

#6

To say that tactics puzzles are thrash because it is a bit harsh on you when you don't find the best move is surprising. Training, as the name implies, aims at training. So you should be glad that the engine shows you there was an even better move than the one you found. It helps you to learn. The fact that you gain or lose point is not very important. It's not money. It's hints to help you improve.

FMSanMarco

#7

It's not the problem. The problem is when you got a winning line and lost 20 points it's like in a game of GMI if one player lost the game because he mates in 40 moves and not in 35. Learning is not discouraging.... only for bad teachers.....

iamoldlob

#8

#6 JacquesD I agree with absolutely. Yes, I had done a puzzle which I solved but get zero point and if I had failed I would have lost 20 points. The puzzle rating was well below my puzzle rating. lichess seem to say that I should solve it easily without any problem. lichess will punish me very harshly if I failed because I do not deserve that high rating had I failed this particular puzzle. I do not mind to reveal that some of the points I got is FREE. LOL. Please do not take puzzle training too seriously because it is only training to improve your chess skill and the points one lose is not money. lichess puzzle training is very good. Have a nice time playing chess and have fun friends bye.

#9

jorjo

#10

@Konadios
While I agree about pretty much everything you say, Lichess tactics still have this kind of frustrating moments. One has to be very relaxed about things, to not get angry every once in a while.
It is not so much about the rating itself, but about the "ooh come on" moments. There could be way more "good move, find better" tags to prevent that frustration and supply you with a more rewarding learning experience, since I believe in most cases it just takes one more second to find the faster/better solution.

Take this for example:
http://en.lichess.org/training/42264

It has a pretty simple solution of mate in 3.
If you blitz the puzzles you may see a mate in 4 instead and go for it.
Of course you missed a mate in 1 when going for Qh7+ intending Qf7#, and so you could argue you obviously failed to find the best move here.

But who starts to think about every single move again when he did see a mating continuation in the first place? In a bullet game you could pre-move this and win the game.

So this leaves two options to approach lichess training.
First and recommended: Just go ahead in a zen-like manner and ignore what the green and red messages tell you. Completely ignore the rating and play on your own rules.
Or second, and I believe the way more common approach: Let Lichess tactic trainer not only train you tactics, but also behavior which is kind of bad: Hesitate when you see a good or even winning continuation, cause there could be a "better" one!

Hesitation looses you games on time. Finding a mate in 4 instead of 3 does not. Be aware of that conditioning effects, especially when you are not good at bullet. I realized that effect on myself. After lichess training it always takes me a while to switch to bullet mode.

@Konadios While I agree about pretty much everything you say, Lichess tactics still have this kind of frustrating moments. One has to be very relaxed about things, to not get angry every once in a while. It is not so much about the rating itself, but about the "ooh come on" moments. There could be way more "good move, find better" tags to prevent that frustration and supply you with a more rewarding learning experience, since I believe in most cases it just takes one more second to find the faster/better solution. Take this for example: http://en.lichess.org/training/42264 It has a pretty simple solution of mate in 3. If you blitz the puzzles you may see a mate in 4 instead and go for it. Of course you missed a mate in 1 when going for Qh7+ intending Qf7#, and so you could argue you obviously failed to find the best move here. But who starts to think about every single move again when he did see a mating continuation in the first place? In a bullet game you could pre-move this and win the game. So this leaves two options to approach lichess training. First and recommended: Just go ahead in a zen-like manner and ignore what the green and red messages tell you. Completely ignore the rating and play on your own rules. Or second, and I believe the way more common approach: Let Lichess tactic trainer not only train you tactics, but also behavior which is kind of bad: Hesitate when you see a good or even winning continuation, cause there could be a "better" one! Hesitation looses you games on time. Finding a mate in 4 instead of 3 does not. Be aware of that conditioning effects, especially when you are not good at bullet. I realized that effect on myself. After lichess training it always takes me a while to switch to bullet mode.