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Tired_Of_Winning

#11

Add this bongcloud game to your collection. 😁😁

https://lichess.org/H7tM38CZCtl1

Add this bongcloud game to your collection. 😁😁 https://lichess.org/H7tM38CZCtl1

How not to play the bongcloud...
<iframe src="https://lichess.org/embed/GEZkHPs4#13?theme=auto&bg=auto" width=600 height=397 frameborder=0></iframe>

How not to play the bongcloud... <iframe src="https://lichess.org/embed/GEZkHPs4#13?theme=auto&bg=auto" width=600 height=397 frameborder=0></iframe>

Tired_Of_Winning

#14

@Grecchi80 nice bongcloud win but what made my win more impressive was that my opponent was 300 points higher than me(1900-1600) and i drew the bongcloud game before.

Grecchi80

#15

https://youtu.be/xIUJotP8r2g

Tired_Of_Winning

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#16

@Grecchi80 Dude that's it! that's it!

The Bongcloud Rainstorn Variation

I invented it This position is a forced win.Pretty sure!

@Grecchi80 Dude that's it! that's it! The Bongcloud Rainstorn Variation I invented it This position is a forced win.Pretty sure!

Grecchi80 edited

#17

The bongcloud was invented about 20 years ago on the Internet Chess Club
Possibly by Bobby Fischer.https://en.chessbase.com/post/the-third-coming-of-bobby-fischer-

The bongcloud was invented about 20 years ago on the Internet Chess Club Possibly by Bobby Fischer.https://en.chessbase.com/post/the-third-coming-of-bobby-fischer-

Alientcp

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#18

Pass. Thats only for remembering. I mean, its good if you study an opening and its many variations. You use that as a test to see if you remember the positions that arise from the lines

If you do pattern recognition on openings you already know, its useless, you already know the positions.
If you get random positions, its a bit pointless too, as we try to pull the games we dont control towards our preparation. So chances of those positions arising in your games are low, and remembering, even lower.

If you want to study, i recommend you pick a topic that you have not studied before, so you could actually understand the basic principles of that specific topic. In essence, use your training time to understand something you dont, like pawn structures, material imbalance, etc, not to remember positions

Over time, you will learn different concepts that when you master or are decent at, and when a new position arrives, even if you dont see a game winning combination, you can calculate and force your way to a position that is very advantageous to you, not only in feeling, or looking like you have an advantage, but actual theory you can apply.

For instance, i really have not studied Fischer, but people who has studied him have told me that when he recognized a pawn structure that he knew was winning, or a specific ending that he knew, but the board still had many pieces, he didnt tried to make any new stuff or seek combinations, he instead was aiming to force that ending he knew. The difference between GM's an us mortals is that we calculate to where the pieces are going to end after x moves. They calculate to see which variation will lean towards a position they know how to take advantage of.

Its really important to anyone's progress to study for gaining knowledge, not for remembering. Knowledge will last longer than memory. I memorized like 6 openings, tricks, traps, better positions, etc, most common branches, took a lot of time and effort. My rating went up. I stopped playing for a couple of years. I remember a couple of ideas, but for the most part, i retained almost nothing, so, waste of time. But i actually learned some basic mates a long time ago when i was a kid, like R+KvK. I know the basic concept, dont require refresh, ill mate 100% of the time when i dont need to premove (say 15 secs or more). Knowlege > Memory any time any day.

Pass. Thats only for remembering. I mean, its good if you study an opening and its many variations. You use that as a test to see if you remember the positions that arise from the lines If you do pattern recognition on openings you already know, its useless, you already know the positions. If you get random positions, its a bit pointless too, as we try to pull the games we dont control towards our preparation. So chances of those positions arising in your games are low, and remembering, even lower. If you want to study, i recommend you pick a topic that you have not studied before, so you could actually understand the basic principles of that specific topic. In essence, use your training time to understand something you dont, like pawn structures, material imbalance, etc, not to remember positions Over time, you will learn different concepts that when you master or are decent at, and when a new position arrives, even if you dont see a game winning combination, you can calculate and force your way to a position that is very advantageous to you, not only in feeling, or looking like you have an advantage, but actual theory you can apply. For instance, i really have not studied Fischer, but people who has studied him have told me that when he recognized a pawn structure that he knew was winning, or a specific ending that he knew, but the board still had many pieces, he didnt tried to make any new stuff or seek combinations, he instead was aiming to force that ending he knew. The difference between GM's an us mortals is that we calculate to where the pieces are going to end after x moves. They calculate to see which variation will lean towards a position they know how to take advantage of. Its really important to anyone's progress to study for gaining knowledge, not for remembering. Knowledge will last longer than memory. I memorized like 6 openings, tricks, traps, better positions, etc, most common branches, took a lot of time and effort. My rating went up. I stopped playing for a couple of years. I remember a couple of ideas, but for the most part, i retained almost nothing, so, waste of time. But i actually learned some basic mates a long time ago when i was a kid, like R+KvK. I know the basic concept, dont require refresh, ill mate 100% of the time when i dont need to premove (say 15 secs or more). Knowlege > Memory any time any day.