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The recent blog by GM David Navara is heartbreaking.

My request with this post is to anyone in the community who can get the attention of Chessbase India somehow or Sagar Shah if they have a contact directly.

As official channels don't seem to be working, regardless of the reasons GM David is in such distress, it might help since CBI has interviewed Navara in March in his hometown Prague and could probably help him get in contact with Vishy Anand for immediate reciprocation and possible intervention in the future, the interaction could be helpful, not the time to be feeling isolated now.

I'm not sure if he has already contacted Sagar, maybe he didn't thinking of obligations given GM David is apologizing for emails to FIDE, when there is no need to - it's just FIDE being reckless as usual.

Writing this solely as someone who follows chess news in general, would have contacted CBI if I knew them.

If someone does, please bring this to their notice.

The recent blog by GM David Navara is heartbreaking. My request with this post is to anyone in the community who can get the attention of Chessbase India somehow or Sagar Shah if they have a contact directly. As official channels don't seem to be working, regardless of the reasons GM David is in such distress, it might help since CBI has interviewed Navara in March in his hometown Prague and could probably help him get in contact with Vishy Anand for immediate reciprocation and possible intervention in the future, the interaction could be helpful, not the time to be feeling isolated now. I'm not sure if he has already contacted Sagar, maybe he didn't thinking of obligations given GM David is apologizing for emails to FIDE, when there is no need to - it's just FIDE being reckless as usual. Writing this solely as someone who follows chess news in general, would have contacted CBI if I knew them. If someone does, please bring this to their notice.

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Tired of hearing of GM Vladimir Kramnik controversy, I eventually decided to get to the bottom of the facts.

I can feel for those getting in the cross hair of chess anti-cheating systems mythology.

I do suggest realizing it is quite challenging, if not possible for science today to design a statistical system capable of detecting high level player computer aid.

How would one expect to assemble a reference Titled Tuesday tournament dataset to ferret out outliers?
The only strict statistical method possible is to analyze a known 100% cheat free dataset vs. one which not.

Short of such reference dataset what remains is approximation and hypothesis.

Dr. Kenneth Regan model being published can be gamed and occasional GM level computer aid, if done with parsimony, falls out of detectable pattern.

GM Vladimir Kramnik, however caustic and even reckless the behavior, has been the trigger for academics and chess.com to admit the limitations and shortcomings of those models.

I suggest weighting in playing on GM Khismatullin’s account and unprecise statistical analysis with Vladimir acting as the whistleblower which lead to improvement and renewed focus on the issue.

I continue to remember GM Vladimir Kramnik as the 2002 tie 4-4 vs. Deep Fritz 7.5, a great hope for humanity, only to be outdone in 2006 by Deep Fritz 10.

This is the first world champion vs. computer match I know to satisfy the requirement the entire machine being visible and facing the human during the match.

I hope the reader will agree variance is powerful enough an ally to deflect and refute any suspicion.

Do not defend or refute unless on the chess board!

Tired of hearing of GM Vladimir Kramnik controversy, I eventually decided to get to the bottom of the facts. I can feel for those getting in the cross hair of chess anti-cheating systems mythology. I do suggest realizing it is quite challenging, if not possible for science today to design a statistical system capable of detecting high level player computer aid. How would one expect to assemble a reference Titled Tuesday tournament dataset to ferret out outliers? The only strict statistical method possible is to analyze a known 100% cheat free dataset vs. one which not. Short of such reference dataset what remains is approximation and hypothesis. Dr. Kenneth Regan model being published can be gamed and occasional GM level computer aid, if done with parsimony, falls out of detectable pattern. GM Vladimir Kramnik, however caustic and even reckless the behavior, has been the trigger for academics and chess.com to admit the limitations and shortcomings of those models. I suggest weighting in playing on GM Khismatullin’s account and unprecise statistical analysis with Vladimir acting as the whistleblower which lead to improvement and renewed focus on the issue. I continue to remember GM Vladimir Kramnik as the 2002 tie 4-4 vs. Deep Fritz 7.5, a great hope for humanity, only to be outdone in 2006 by Deep Fritz 10. This is the first world champion vs. computer match I know to satisfy the requirement the entire machine being visible and facing the human during the match. I hope the reader will agree variance is powerful enough an ally to deflect and refute any suspicion. Do not defend or refute unless on the chess board!

artyom7

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Dear David Navara! You are a great part of the chess community. It has always been pleasure to play in the same 960 tournament with you. Please ignore inadequate statements, even if the come from former World Champions. You just don't have to read them nor reply to them. We all understand those are a complete non-sense.

(I hope he will read this one day). Come on Lichess, let's support David, he'd be pleased to see this thread gathering 100+ hearts!

Dear David Navara! You are a great part of the chess community. It has always been pleasure to play in the same 960 tournament with you. Please ignore inadequate statements, even if the come from former World Champions. You just don't have to read them nor reply to them. We all understand those are a complete non-sense. (I hope he will read this one day). Come on Lichess, let's support David, he'd be pleased to see this thread gathering 100+ hearts!

Munich

#4

When looking at the list, Navara is still within reasonable blunders. And I dont think anybody thought differently, maybe not even Kramnik. The point of the list wasnt about Navara but the one guy with the least blunders on that list was not even a GM?

CM Sarg0n

#5

https://www.newinchess.com/blog/post/nic-podcast-66-gm-david-navara

petri999

#6

Kramnic should be punished way more severly. This sort inuation atttack without tanligble evidence is not acceptable. Beinh non gm and having played is not evidence. It takes lot more

mvhk

#7

Fide and chess.com are engaged in a cold war since a few years. They are both fighting for absolute dominance in chess.

Fide can and will therefore not openly make any statement which would allow chess.com to be pictured as a legit and important chessorganisation.

In other words fide considers chess played in titled tuesday on chess.com not as "real" chess. Any complaints related to titled tuesdays on chess.com will therefore be ignored officially.

I recommend to send complaints directly to chess.com or ask legal advice from a lawyer.

Fide and chess.com are engaged in a cold war since a few years. They are both fighting for absolute dominance in chess. Fide can and will therefore not openly make any statement which would allow chess.com to be pictured as a legit and important chessorganisation. In other words fide considers chess played in titled tuesday on chess.com not as "real" chess. Any complaints related to titled tuesdays on chess.com will therefore be ignored officially. I recommend to send complaints directly to chess.com or ask legal advice from a lawyer.

lizani edited

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I feel for GM Navara who's always come across as an intellectual with whom you could have an interesting conversation. Plus highly ethical as a chessplayer. He goes into this controversy in detail on the New in Chess podcast.
Kramnik, on the other hand, takes a shotgun approach to his accusations and doesn't care about the fallout. David, if you read this, ignore him and do not let such posts get you down. We know you're not a cheater and you don't want to know the people who actually believe Kramnik.

I feel for GM Navara who's always come across as an intellectual with whom you could have an interesting conversation. Plus highly ethical as a chessplayer. He goes into this controversy in detail on the New in Chess podcast. Kramnik, on the other hand, takes a shotgun approach to his accusations and doesn't care about the fallout. David, if you read this, ignore him and do not let such posts get you down. We know you're not a cheater and you don't want to know the people who actually believe Kramnik.

forsoothplays

#9

If Navara really wants action regarding this issue, why is he posting an open letter in a blog post on Lichess? That's not the kind of thing you do when you want to get action done; this is what you do when you either want to score sympathy points with your fans, or else rile them up into a "cancel mob." Pretty disgraceful either way.

And if he's really just trying to manage his manically fragile emotions, then he's looking for help in the wrong place by turning to his fanbase, and you guys are making his problems worse in the long run by giving him sympathy notes. You should be encouraging him to look for help from sources that will actually help him. I don't know what religion Navara is referring to that he claims to take so seriously, but if it's Holy Orthodoxy, that would be the best place to look for it. Otherwise some kind of counseling or therapy is the way to go.

But trauma-dumping on the internet and hoping it turns into a pity-party is unhealthy and destructive, and someone as intellectual as Navara should know as much.

If Navara really wants action regarding this issue, why is he posting an open letter in a blog post on Lichess? That's not the kind of thing you do when you want to get action done; this is what you do when you either want to score sympathy points with your fans, or else rile them up into a "cancel mob." Pretty disgraceful either way. And if he's really just trying to manage his manically fragile emotions, then he's looking for help in the wrong place by turning to his fanbase, and you guys are making his problems worse in the long run by giving him sympathy notes. You should be encouraging him to look for help from sources that will actually help him. I don't know what religion Navara is referring to that he claims to take so seriously, but if it's Holy Orthodoxy, that would be the best place to look for it. Otherwise some kind of counseling or therapy is the way to go. But trauma-dumping on the internet and hoping it turns into a pity-party is unhealthy and destructive, and someone as intellectual as Navara should know as much.

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