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Multipremoves

Hi all,

I can't get why multipremoves isn't possible anymore.
I heard its because a player named penguin who made lichess ( they say that lichess is really free :lol:) its store selling C9 t-shirts and goodies etc complained about it.
So what's about people who have huge advantage with their computer, mouse, fix latency program, 140 Hz monitor etc ?
Why they don't rule about it ?
If a player decide to anticipate several moves, if a player can read in his opponent thoughts or logic, i can't see why its forbidden.
It's a nonsense.
Justice is not the satisfaction of some whim of so-called blitz star.
Even a poor site like chess.com got it.
Its a shame.

Hi all, I can't get why multipremoves isn't possible anymore. I heard its because a player named penguin who made lichess ( they say that lichess is really free :lol:) its store selling C9 t-shirts and goodies etc complained about it. So what's about people who have huge advantage with their computer, mouse, fix latency program, 140 Hz monitor etc ? Why they don't rule about it ? If a player decide to anticipate several moves, if a player can read in his opponent thoughts or logic, i can't see why its forbidden. It's a nonsense. Justice is not the satisfaction of some whim of so-called blitz star. Even a poor site like chess.com got it. Its a shame.

Agreed , Lichess add Multi Pre moves like chess.com

Agreed , Lichess add Multi Pre moves like chess.com

Hello there!

Multiple premoves aren't possible becasue one player, who has the extention, would simply have an advantage to another player who plays without an extention.
I do not know if it has anything to do with the GM @ penguingim1, but he did not create lichess.org, that would be @ thibault. And lichess really is free.
As far as I know, those people with "huge" advantages don't really have that huge of an advantage (at least not in comparison to users who would use the keyboard or the multipremoves extention), and are able to play because lichess does not want to deny anyone the access to lichess.org (e.g. someone with only a smartphone today is able to play here - some say they are faster that way, others say they are not). Besides, these advantages are not focusing on the lichess side of things but the users side - though you could surely argue that these choices still are advantages.
As lichess's premoving does not really make you lose time, there's no problem to premove multiple times when you anticipate a certain set of moves - you will still get the same result, though arguably this is a little more fair as you won't lose on time and have to sit there with your mouse in your hand.
Not allowing extentions seems sensible, as no player gets an unfair advantage.
Justice means that a balance can be established, so that people are treated rightfully, appropriate and fair.
Chess.com has the feature - and so you can play there whenever you feel like premoving more than one move. Isn't that great, all the options you have?
It's - in my Opinion - good. But we should still search for the "better" and even the "best" in good - improvement is always possible.

Hello there! Multiple premoves aren't possible becasue one player, who has the extention, would simply have an advantage to another player who plays without an extention. I do not know if it has anything to do with the GM @ penguingim1, but he did not create lichess.org, that would be @ thibault. And lichess really is free. As far as I know, those people with "huge" advantages don't really have that huge of an advantage (at least not in comparison to users who would use the keyboard or the multipremoves extention), and are able to play because lichess does not want to deny anyone the access to lichess.org (e.g. someone with only a smartphone today is able to play here - some say they are faster that way, others say they are not). Besides, these advantages are not focusing on the lichess side of things but the users side - though you could surely argue that these choices still are advantages. As lichess's premoving does not really make you lose time, there's no problem to premove multiple times when you anticipate a certain set of moves - you will still get the same result, though arguably this is a little more fair as you won't lose on time and have to sit there with your mouse in your hand. Not allowing extentions seems sensible, as no player gets an unfair advantage. Justice means that a balance can be established, so that people are treated rightfully, appropriate and fair. Chess.com has the feature - and so you can play there whenever you feel like premoving more than one move. Isn't that great, all the options you have? It's - in my Opinion - good. But we should still search for the "better" and even the "best" in good - improvement is always possible.

"Multiple premoves aren't possible becasue one player, who has the extention, would simply have an advantage to another player who plays without an extention."

It would be easy then to Lichess to implement that option and no one would ever continue to argue about it since every player would have the multipremoves.

It isn't needed to be a expert in computers to know what advantages you could have at 1/2 based on the hardware : google the concepts of server's tickrate, fps and ping for examples.

"e.g. someone with only a smartphone today is able to play here - some say they are faster that way"

Yeah, trollers are able to do lot of things indeed. U can post a video to prove it.

Moreover, i know several titled players who don't accept to play 1/2 anymore because of this lack in lichess. They say its frustrating to lose because time when you've found the combos to win.

"GM @ penguingim1"
Yeah, you found him. He makes his business playing against lichess players on twitch.

Not everybody is Carlsen. Even him should be humble since a small comp nowadays smash him.

Multipremoves for all !

"Multiple premoves aren't possible becasue one player, who has the extention, would simply have an advantage to another player who plays without an extention." It would be easy then to Lichess to implement that option and no one would ever continue to argue about it since every player would have the multipremoves. It isn't needed to be a expert in computers to know what advantages you could have at 1/2 based on the hardware : google the concepts of server's tickrate, fps and ping for examples. "e.g. someone with only a smartphone today is able to play here - some say they are faster that way" Yeah, trollers are able to do lot of things indeed. U can post a video to prove it. Moreover, i know several titled players who don't accept to play 1/2 anymore because of this lack in lichess. They say its frustrating to lose because time when you've found the combos to win. "GM @ penguingim1" Yeah, you found him. He makes his business playing against lichess players on twitch. Not everybody is Carlsen. Even him should be humble since a small comp nowadays smash him. Multipremoves for all !

All of these arguments have been brought up before in various topics about keyboard.
Computers, lag, and mice are mostly out of Lichess's control, so there are no rules about those. However, Lichess can control the extensions that are allowed on its website.
Lichess's goal is to provide a free website for players to learn and play chess. Implementing multi-premoves is not necessary for this goal.
By the way, what does Carlsen have to do with anything?

All of these arguments have been brought up before in various topics about keyboard. Computers, lag, and mice are mostly out of Lichess's control, so there are no rules about those. However, Lichess can control the extensions that are allowed on its website. Lichess's goal is to provide a free website for players to learn and play chess. Implementing multi-premoves is not necessary for this goal. By the way, what does Carlsen have to do with anything?

Multipremoves is a "plus" but not more.

Carlsen doesn't play 1/2 and some players should ponder about why ?
Carlsen is a leader in chess' world.
Maybe 1/4 and 1/2 should be deleted from Lichess but noones can learn chess in this mode.

At least, u can ruin your level after several months playing juss in speed.
Moreover, too much players gone crazy and dirty.
Those 2 modes help people to be bad actually.

It's weird why so many people hates so much multipremoves.
They got some trauma maybe in the past : breaking keyboard? insulting their mums?

Dunno but i can't understand why people are so aggressive about it.
Maybe only weirdos players play 1/4 and 1/2 or because they need to puke some anger because they failed to be titled or decents players in real life :D

Multipremoves for @ll for ffs !!

Multipremoves is a "plus" but not more. Carlsen doesn't play 1/2 and some players should ponder about why ? Carlsen is a leader in chess' world. Maybe 1/4 and 1/2 should be deleted from Lichess but noones can learn chess in this mode. At least, u can ruin your level after several months playing juss in speed. Moreover, too much players gone crazy and dirty. Those 2 modes help people to be bad actually. It's weird why so many people hates so much multipremoves. They got some trauma maybe in the past : breaking keyboard? insulting their mums? Dunno but i can't understand why people are so aggressive about it. Maybe only weirdos players play 1/4 and 1/2 or because they need to puke some anger because they failed to be titled or decents players in real life :D Multipremoves for @ll for ffs !!

It'd be fun to have multi-premoves, can't hurt to have it. If lichess ever decides to hear the public's opinion on it, I'm voting yes

It'd be fun to have multi-premoves, can't hurt to have it. If lichess ever decides to hear the public's opinion on it, I'm voting yes

They are talking about a mod that uses mouse and keyboard though and not premoves in general, which sound harmless.

They are talking about a mod that uses mouse and keyboard though and not premoves in general, which sound harmless.

There's no multiple premoves for either side in a game so where's the issue.
Players are at equality in timed games.
In correspondence games, the feature exists and one can simply do so.
I don't see any problem in here.

There's no multiple premoves for either side in a game so where's the issue. Players are at equality in timed games. In correspondence games, the feature exists and one can simply do so. I don't see any problem in here.

@uberbeginner said in #6:

Multipremoves is a "plus" but not more.
Not logical.

Carlsen doesn't play 1/2 and some players should ponder about why ?
Carlsen is a leader in chess' world.
Maybe 1/4 and 1/2 should be deleted from Lichess but noones can learn chess in this mode.
One person does not define an entire group.

Those 2 modes help people to be bad actually.
What is your argument anymore? Are you trying to add multi-premoves, or are you trying to remove bullet chess? These two arguments go against each other.

It's weird why so many people hates so much multipremoves.
Dunno but i can't understand why people are so aggressive about it.
It's highly unfair and I do not understand how you think that many people would experience that much trauma.

Maybe only weirdos players play 1/4 and 1/2 or because they need to puke some anger because they failed to be titled or decents players in real life :D
You are literally trying to downplay the importance of bullet so that your suggestion for multi-premoves seems harmless.
Stop your manipulation.

@uberbeginner said in #6: > Multipremoves is a "plus" but not more. Not logical. > Carlsen doesn't play 1/2 and some players should ponder about why ? > Carlsen is a leader in chess' world. > Maybe 1/4 and 1/2 should be deleted from Lichess but noones can learn chess in this mode. One person does not define an entire group. > Those 2 modes help people to be bad actually. What is your argument anymore? Are you trying to add multi-premoves, or are you trying to remove bullet chess? These two arguments go against each other. > It's weird why so many people hates so much multipremoves. > Dunno but i can't understand why people are so aggressive about it. It's highly unfair and I do not understand how you think that many people would experience that much trauma. > Maybe only weirdos players play 1/4 and 1/2 or because they need to puke some anger because they failed to be titled or decents players in real life :D You are literally trying to downplay the importance of bullet so that your suggestion for multi-premoves seems harmless. Stop your manipulation.

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