Is magnus a sore loser?

@Molurus said in #49:
> Without the analysis we didn't know if Hans cheated, and with the analysis we don't know if Hans cheated.
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> How is that worth mentioning? We literally know nothing we didn't know already.

Again, you're basically saying that only things that confirm that Hans cheated should be mentioned. If people did 99 analyses that show no evidence of cheating, and 1 analysis that shows evidence of potential cheating, you would object to the 99 analyses being mentioned but not the single one?

@Fastbond said in #51:
> Again, you're basically saying that only things that confirm that Hans cheated should be mentioned.

Yes. As I've already pointed out: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. An analysis that doesn't show whether or not Niemann cheated doesn't tell you anything you didn't already know.

> If people did 99 analyses that show no evidence of cheating, and 1 analysis that shows evidence of potential cheating, you would object to the 99 analyses being mentioned but not the single one?

If I swam to the bottom of the swimming pool and found no evidence of Niemann cheating there, would you consider it worth mentioning?

I don't object to mentioning non-informative analyses. I'm just questioning the idea that it is interesting at all.

People referring to that analysis seem to think it somehow makes it less likely that Niemann cheated. But they don't actually claim it does, because... well, they know very well it doesn't. Which, in my view, makes that analysis completely irrelevant.

@Molurus said in #52:
> Yes. As I've already pointed out: absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. An analysis that doesn't show whether or not Niemann cheated doesn't tell you anything you didn't already know.

Not really, as we do not know what accusations are being leveled against Niemann. So any serious analysis contributes.

> If I swam to the bottom of the swimming pool and found no evidence of Niemann cheating there, would you consider it worth mentioning?

If the overwhelming majority (>99.999%) of cheaters are caught through swimming to the bottom of a swimming pool, sure. But they're not caught by swimming to the bottom of a pool. They're caught through analysis.