Is it allowed to analyze a correspondence game position with a computer? • page 1/1 • General Chess Discussion • lichess.org

I'm still in the opening, and I'm used to analyze with the computer after the game ends.

When you finish your move in a correspondence game, there's nothing more to do, so you get a feeling of looking the position into the opening repertoire, to see all the possibilities, also to get an idea from the computer.

It's a long game, so, to not make a mistake, and to keep fair play, I prefer to ask, if it's allowed to check the opening explorer after doing your move in a correpondence game, never before!

I'm still in the opening, and I'm used to analyze with the computer after the game ends. When you finish your move in a correspondence game, there's nothing more to do, so you get a feeling of looking the position into the opening repertoire, to see all the possibilities, also to get an idea from the computer. It's a long game, so, to not make a mistake, and to keep fair play, I prefer to ask, if it's allowed to check the opening explorer after doing your move in a correpondence game, never before!

venter4971

#2

https://lichess.org/faq#correspondence

I quote lichess

''On Lichess, the main difference in rules for correspondence chess is that an opening book is allowed. The use of engines is still prohibited and will result in being flagged for engine assistance. Although ICCF allows engine use in correspondence, Lichess does not.''

https://lichess.org/faq#correspondence I quote lichess ''On Lichess, the main difference in rules for correspondence chess is that an opening book is allowed. The use of engines is still prohibited and will result in being flagged for engine assistance. Although ICCF allows engine use in correspondence, Lichess does not.''

Brian-E

#3

In other words, the opening explorer is fine in correspondence both before and after you make your move. But leave the engine alone!!

mkubecek

#4

There is one thing that's not completely clear to me, though. Assume I'm playing a correspondence game with, say, 10-12 moves played. In the meantime I play a "realtime" game which goes through the position where I'm currently in the correspondence game. (Even if I'm not a fan of memorizing long opening lines, there are few that I remember past move 10 so it can happen in theory.) After the game I open the analysis and when stepping through the game, at some point I have engine enabled with exactly the position of the (ongoing) correspondence game. Will that be detected by the automated system? Is there a risk of getting into trouble accidentally? (The same could also happen when preparing for a 4545/LoneWolf game when I often combine my opponent's history, masters database and engine evaluation.)

(I'm not playing correspondence games on lichess and I don't plan to start in near future, my question is purely theoretical.)

There is one thing that's not completely clear to me, though. Assume I'm playing a correspondence game with, say, 10-12 moves played. In the meantime I play a "realtime" game which goes through the position where I'm currently in the correspondence game. (Even if I'm not a fan of memorizing long opening lines, there are few that I remember past move 10 so it can happen in theory.) After the game I open the analysis and when stepping through the game, at some point I have engine enabled with exactly the position of the (ongoing) correspondence game. Will that be detected by the automated system? Is there a risk of getting into trouble accidentally? (The same could also happen when preparing for a 4545/LoneWolf game when I often combine my opponent's history, masters database and engine evaluation.) (I'm not playing correspondence games on lichess and I don't plan to start in near future, my question is purely theoretical.)

Brian-E

#5

@mkubecek said in #4:

There is one thing that's not completely clear to me, though.[...]

Yes, this sort of situation is an ethical and legal (chess laws) minefield. There is certainly a risk of inadvertently cheating.

I don't know anything about Lichess' cheating detection procedures. But on another major site I know that there is a policy of not looking at the first 15 moves of every game when detecting engine cheating (for both correspondence and live formats actually) and the example you give is the sort of reason why that policy is in place. Even then, some theoretical lines go beyond move 15. It's a grey area.

Players who are preparing for OTB tournaments also have a legitimate complaint if, while preparing for competition, they are not allowed to use engine analysis an opening position which happens to occur in one of their correspondence games.

@mkubecek said in #4: > There is one thing that's not completely clear to me, though.[...] Yes, this sort of situation is an ethical and legal (chess laws) minefield. There is certainly a risk of inadvertently cheating. I don't know anything about Lichess' cheating detection procedures. But on another major site I know that there is a policy of not looking at the first 15 moves of every game when detecting engine cheating (for both correspondence and live formats actually) and the example you give is the sort of reason why that policy is in place. Even then, some theoretical lines go beyond move 15. It's a grey area. Players who are preparing for OTB tournaments also have a legitimate complaint if, while preparing for competition, they are not allowed to use engine analysis an opening position which happens to occur in one of their correspondence games.

justme23

#6

It depends