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Insanely high rating player with a very high number of games played but deviation is very high

She is boosting her account by playing games with low-rated players that she knows she will almost always win against.

She is boosting her account by playing games with low-rated players that she knows she will almost always win against.

@EgeEken said in #10:

I just checked the TOS and i see no mention of "mostly playing against lower rated players"

I don't think that's a violation of the TOS (otherwise, the account would be marked as such). But it seems to be a violation of the leaderboard entry criteria.

@EgeEken said in #10: > I just checked the TOS and i see no mention of "mostly playing against lower rated players" I don't think that's a violation of the TOS (otherwise, the account would be marked as such). But it seems to be a violation of the leaderboard entry criteria.

@InkyDarkBird said in #11:

She is boosting her account by playing games with low-rated players that she knows she will almost always win against.

I am once again asking you to back up your claims, where does it say this isn't allowed in the TOS, you keep saying stuff and then downvoting people asking you to elaborate lol

@InkyDarkBird said in #11: > She is boosting her account by playing games with low-rated players that she knows she will almost always win against. I am once again asking you to back up your claims, where does it say this isn't allowed in the TOS, you keep saying stuff and then downvoting people asking you to elaborate lol

@mcgoves said in #12:

I don't think that's a violation of the TOS (otherwise, the account would be marked as such). But it seems to be a violation of the leaderboard entry criteria.

Yeah maybe but i don't see any rules against playing against lower rated players in the leaderboards entry criteria either,

"How do ranks and leaderboards work?
In order to get on the rating leaderboard you must:

have played at least 30 rated games in a given rating,
have played a rated game within the last week for this rating,
have a rating deviation lower than 75, in standard chess, and lower than 65 in variants,
be in the top 10 in this rating.
The 2nd requirement is so that players who no longer use their accounts stop populating leaderboards."

Unless there's another set of rules somewhere else on the website that i'm missing, which is possible but i haven't seen it

@mcgoves said in #12: > I don't think that's a violation of the TOS (otherwise, the account would be marked as such). But it seems to be a violation of the leaderboard entry criteria. Yeah maybe but i don't see any rules against playing against lower rated players in the leaderboards entry criteria either, "How do ranks and leaderboards work? In order to get on the rating leaderboard you must: have played at least 30 rated games in a given rating, have played a rated game within the last week for this rating, have a rating deviation lower than 75, in standard chess, and lower than 65 in variants, be in the top 10 in this rating. The 2nd requirement is so that players who no longer use their accounts stop populating leaderboards." Unless there's another set of rules somewhere else on the website that i'm missing, which is possible but i haven't seen it

No, they do have a point manipulation rule which is what that is.

No, they do have a point manipulation rule which is what that is.

Rating manipulation is sandbagging or boosting, the latter can be by
A) playing yourself
B) getting someone else to give you points
C) knowingly abusing the encounter of a sandbagger by playing many "games" with them and earning free points from them.

Ingrid is not doing any of these, she's simply farming and exploiting the rating system. So she's not ToS-marked but obviously still banned from the leaderboard because her rating has nothing to do with her "skill level".
Removal from leaderboards is an action that mods can take at any time and it doesn't need to be backed up by an explicit paragraph in the ToS.

@EgeEken said in #4:

idk how you checked this but well even then isnt 1500 games more than enough to have a pretty low rating deviation normally?

no, there are more things that matter. Have you played recently? If you idle, your deviation goes up no matter how much you played before. Are your opponents close to your rating? If there's an immense gap then a game basically has no meaning and doesn't help reducing your deviation. If you only play like this, you won't compensate the process of your deviation rising naturally (you can only slow it down a bit).

@EgeEken said in #9:

Besides, my final question still remains in this case, are there many more people like this person where their rating is very high but they dont show up on the leaderboards for one reason or another?

The other prominent guy is @Teilchen for the exact same reasons, he's another excessive farmer

Rating manipulation is sandbagging or boosting, the latter can be by A) playing yourself B) getting someone else to give you points C) knowingly abusing the encounter of a sandbagger by playing many "games" with them and earning free points from them. Ingrid is not doing any of these, she's simply farming and exploiting the rating system. So she's not ToS-marked but obviously still banned from the leaderboard because her rating has nothing to do with her "skill level". Removal from leaderboards is an action that mods can take at any time and it doesn't need to be backed up by an explicit paragraph in the ToS. @EgeEken said in #4: > idk how you checked this but well even then isnt 1500 games more than enough to have a pretty low rating deviation normally? no, there are more things that matter. Have you played recently? If you idle, your deviation goes up no matter how much you played before. Are your opponents close to your rating? If there's an immense gap then a game basically has no meaning and doesn't help reducing your deviation. If you only play like this, you won't compensate the process of your deviation rising naturally (you can only slow it down a bit). @EgeEken said in #9: > Besides, my final question still remains in this case, are there many more people like this person where their rating is very high but they dont show up on the leaderboards for one reason or another? The other prominent guy is @Teilchen for the exact same reasons, he's another excessive farmer

@EgeEken said in #14:

Unless there's another set of rules somewhere else on the website that i'm missing, which is possible but i haven't seen it

The website contains rules we must follow. But you're looking for rules the leaderboards must follow. Leaderboards don't read the website. You quoted an explanation of the leaderboards which, perhaps, was simplified for brevity. Or just not maintained as rigorously as a rule must be.

@EgeEken said in #14: > Unless there's another set of rules somewhere else on the website that i'm missing, which is possible but i haven't seen it The website contains rules we must follow. But you're looking for rules the leaderboards must follow. Leaderboards don't read the website. You quoted an explanation of the leaderboards which, perhaps, was simplified for brevity. Or just not maintained as rigorously as a rule must be.

@Cedur216 said in #16:

Rating manipulation is sandbagging or boosting, the latter can be by
A) playing yourself
B) getting someone else to give you points
C) knowingly abusing the encounter of a sandbagger by playing many "games" with them and earning free points from them.

Ingrid is not doing any of these, she's simply farming and exploiting the rating system. So she's not ToS-marked but obviously still banned from the leaderboard because her rating has nothing to do with her "skill level".
Removal from leaderboards is an action that mods can take at any time and it doesn't need to be backed up by an explicit paragraph in the ToS.

no, there are more things that matter. Have you played recently? If you idle, your deviation goes up no matter how much you played before. Are your opponents close to your rating? If there's an immense gap then a game basically has no meaning and doesn't help reducing your deviation. If you only play like this, you won't compensate the process of your deviation rising naturally (you can only slow it down a bit).

The other prominent guy is @Teilchen for the exact same reasons, he's another excessive farmer

cool, very informative answer thank you

@Cedur216 said in #16: > Rating manipulation is sandbagging or boosting, the latter can be by > A) playing yourself > B) getting someone else to give you points > C) knowingly abusing the encounter of a sandbagger by playing many "games" with them and earning free points from them. > > Ingrid is not doing any of these, she's simply farming and exploiting the rating system. So she's not ToS-marked but obviously still banned from the leaderboard because her rating has nothing to do with her "skill level". > Removal from leaderboards is an action that mods can take at any time and it doesn't need to be backed up by an explicit paragraph in the ToS. > > > > no, there are more things that matter. Have you played recently? If you idle, your deviation goes up no matter how much you played before. Are your opponents close to your rating? If there's an immense gap then a game basically has no meaning and doesn't help reducing your deviation. If you only play like this, you won't compensate the process of your deviation rising naturally (you can only slow it down a bit). > > > > The other prominent guy is @Teilchen for the exact same reasons, he's another excessive farmer cool, very informative answer thank you

@EgeEken said in #13:

I am once again asking you to back up your claims, where does it say this isn't allowed in the TOS, you keep saying stuff and then downvoting people asking you to elaborate lol
Alright then.
"Boosting - This is where a rating is artificially inflated, such as by arranging wins in advance with an opponent, or knowingly playing an opponent who is artificially deflating their rating, in an attempt to sandbag."
She is arranging wins in advance by planning to and playing opponents who have a much, much lower rating than her, which almost always guarantees her a win.

@EgeEken said in #13: > I am once again asking you to back up your claims, where does it say this isn't allowed in the TOS, you keep saying stuff and then downvoting people asking you to elaborate lol Alright then. "Boosting - This is where a rating is artificially inflated, such as by arranging wins in advance with an opponent, or knowingly playing an opponent who is artificially deflating their rating, in an attempt to sandbag." She is arranging wins in advance by planning to and playing opponents who have a much, much lower rating than her, which almost always guarantees her a win.

this is literally not the meaning of "arrange"

this is literally not the meaning of "arrange"

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