How to create an opening repertoire in SCID?

Also Wait .... Is Scid vs PC a different program than Scid??? Like an upgrade or sth?

SCID was original. Some years back some people forked and created scid vs pc. But development of scid has continued and recently there was a major release of scid (5.0), which is amazing. Very polished. Also, it has removed the limitations on size of the database it can handle. https://sourceforge.net/projects/scid/files/Scid/Scid%205.0/

polyglot is a program that has to be installed separately. This page has useful info, including a link to a video about how to create opening books using polyglot and scid: https://www.chessprogramming.org/PolyGlot

@Puzzleandlearning SCID was original. Some years back some people forked and created scid vs pc. But development of scid has continued and recently there was a major release of scid (5.0), which is amazing. Very polished. Also, it has removed the limitations on size of the database it can handle. https://sourceforge.net/projects/scid/files/Scid/Scid%205.0/ polyglot is a program that has to be installed separately. This page has useful info, including a link to a video about how to create opening books using polyglot and scid: https://www.chessprogramming.org/PolyGlot

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@Puzzleandlearning said in #11:

Also Wait .... Is Scid vs PC a different program than Scid???
Yes
I have not installed the latest SCID 5.0 (I agree with kajalmaya that 5.0 represented a big burst of OS energy / improvements / additions. I read general comments by a few people that were favourable but I have not used 5.0)

I use SCID vs PC mostly Ver. 4.21 Jan 7. 2020
With SCID Ver. 4.7 Jan.30 2019
With these two above, I think that the SCIDvsPC instructions given in the expertstrategies site would work with SCID as the two interfaces are very similar.

Command line can be a very efficient way to do a task but you need to know the parameters and the syntax. I think that you can use both SCID and SCIDvsPC in a command line mode. However, SCID/ SCIDvsPC both provide a reasonable interface with many parameters that you can adjust which might be the best for you.
You can try the polygot with the simple command that kajalmaya gave. That might be good enough for you.
I may try polygot command line and take a look at what chess programming has to say.

@Puzzleandlearning said in #11: > Also Wait .... Is Scid vs PC a different program than Scid??? Yes I have not installed the latest SCID 5.0 (I agree with kajalmaya that 5.0 represented a big burst of OS energy / improvements / additions. I read general comments by a few people that were favourable but I have not used 5.0) I use SCID vs PC mostly Ver. 4.21 Jan 7. 2020 With SCID Ver. 4.7 Jan.30 2019 With these two above, I think that the SCIDvsPC instructions given in the expertstrategies site would work with SCID as the two interfaces are very similar. Command line can be a very efficient way to do a task but you need to know the parameters and the syntax. I think that you can use both SCID and SCIDvsPC in a command line mode. However, SCID/ SCIDvsPC both provide a reasonable interface with many parameters that you can adjust which might be the best for you. You can try the polygot with the simple command that kajalmaya gave. That might be good enough for you. I may try polygot command line and take a look at what chess programming has to say.

kajalmaya

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@SaltWaterRabbit May I ask why you are using different versions of scid vs pc? Is 4.23 (which I believe is the latest) not enough?

I am making many polyglot books with different parameter sets, and soon plan to upload them (possibly this weekend) to gitlab; I am kind of trying to learn the dark art of building books (suitable for human play, not so much for engine-engine matches). If anybody is interested, please feel free to message me, and I will send you a link. I want to make a gitlab page with several of my own polyglot books as well as pointers to other books and raw data.

@SaltWaterRabbit May I ask why you are using different versions of scid vs pc? Is 4.23 (which I believe is the latest) not enough? I am making many polyglot books with different parameter sets, and soon plan to upload them (possibly this weekend) to gitlab; I am kind of trying to learn the dark art of building books (suitable for human play, not so much for engine-engine matches). If anybody is interested, please feel free to message me, and I will send you a link. I want to make a gitlab page with several of my own polyglot books as well as pointers to other books and raw data.

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@kajalmaya said in #14:

May I ask why you are using different versions of scid vs pc? Is 4.23 (which I believe is the latest) not enough?

I used SCIDvsPC mostly in the past. I also have SCID installed but use this rarely. I got chessbase about two years ago and use this mostly now. These applications are on a Win laptop.
The site with the info on how to set up a rep database uses SCIDvsPC and I suggest that these instructions should work with SCID also. I did a quick look at both SCID and SCIDvsPC interfaces to confirm that both had the same basic functions for setup and creation of a DB. Puzzleandlearning mentioned a preference for SCID in the original post. I do not know if the instructions still apply to the current SCID 5.0.
I will give Polygot a whirl and look at the relevant info on Chess Programming site.

@kajalmaya said in #14: > May I ask why you are using different versions of scid vs pc? Is 4.23 (which I believe is the latest) not enough? I used SCIDvsPC mostly in the past. I also have SCID installed but use this rarely. I got chessbase about two years ago and use this mostly now. These applications are on a Win laptop. The site with the info on how to set up a rep database uses SCIDvsPC and I suggest that these instructions should work with SCID also. I did a quick look at both SCID and SCIDvsPC interfaces to confirm that both had the same basic functions for setup and creation of a DB. Puzzleandlearning mentioned a preference for SCID in the original post. I do not know if the instructions still apply to the current SCID 5.0. I will give Polygot a whirl and look at the relevant info on Chess Programming site.

SaltWaterRabbit

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The Banksia GUI seems to have a bunch of opening book creation tools with a clickable interface.
It seems to be able to create a bunch of different book outputs including Polyglot. Correct?
It seems that this can create polyglot books? (plus other newer formats that can handle Chess960 and other stuff)
https://banksiagui.com/download/
https://banksiagui.com/otherdownloads/
Discussion on Tools for Polyglot Engines (includes Banskia)
https://www.talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=80901
Any help in my little adventure is appreciated?

@kajalmaya I have been searching on youtube and the web for polyglot info. The video in Chess programming | Polyglot by Steve the Maverick engine guy is clear. I can understand the batch steps. Where do I get the Polyglot download mentioned in this vid? I did basic git stuff before but maybe I just do not know where to get the polyglot download? Is this alternative download ok? I got Polyglot 1.7a from the Rebel site https://rebel13.nl/download/books.html &&&&&& The Banksia GUI seems to have a bunch of opening book creation tools with a clickable interface. It seems to be able to create a bunch of different book outputs including Polyglot. Correct? It seems that this can create polyglot books? (plus other newer formats that can handle Chess960 and other stuff) https://banksiagui.com/download/ https://banksiagui.com/otherdownloads/ Discussion on Tools for Polyglot Engines (includes Banskia) https://www.talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=80901 Any help in my little adventure is appreciated?

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@SaltWaterRabbit said in #16:

Where do I get the Polyglot download mentioned in this vid? I did basic git stuff before but maybe I just do not know where to get the polyglot download?

I don't remember if I have seen that video, so I don't know where you can get that version of polyglot. But polyglot has not changed much for many years. Here are a few pointers:

Is this alternative download ok? I got Polyglot 1.7a from the Rebel site rebel13.nl/download/books.html

Just checked that this link has a 7z file that contains polyglot64.exe (windows executable of the polyglot tool). I suggest start with this one. It should be very reliable and fast. This page https://rebel13.nl/download/polyglot.html will also give you some ideas about building books, but some of the ideas discussed here are complex, so I suggest starting with simple use of polyglot on a pgn collection.

http://hgm.nubati.net/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=polyglot.git;a=summary Download the latest snapshot. You will get the source code, which you will have to compile. HGM is the main person who maintains polyglot now, if I am not mistaken. He is also one of the moderators of talkchess forum, so if you post there any questions, you will quickly get response.

This one https://github.com/ulthiel/polyglot is a slightly modified version of polyglot (with contribution from HGM as well). On the right there is a link to release, where you can get a windows executable.

@SaltWaterRabbit said in #16: > Where do I get the Polyglot download mentioned in this vid? I did basic git stuff before but maybe I just do not know where to get the polyglot download? I don't remember if I have seen that video, so I don't know where you can get that version of polyglot. But polyglot has not changed much for many years. Here are a few pointers: > Is this alternative download ok? I got Polyglot 1.7a from the Rebel site rebel13.nl/download/books.html Just checked that this link has a 7z file that contains polyglot64.exe (windows executable of the polyglot tool). I suggest start with this one. It should be very reliable and fast. This page https://rebel13.nl/download/polyglot.html will also give you some ideas about building books, but some of the ideas discussed here are complex, so I suggest starting with simple use of polyglot on a pgn collection. http://hgm.nubati.net/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=polyglot.git;a=summary Download the latest snapshot. You will get the source code, which you will have to compile. HGM is the main person who maintains polyglot now, if I am not mistaken. He is also one of the moderators of talkchess forum, so if you post there any questions, you will quickly get response. This one https://github.com/ulthiel/polyglot is a slightly modified version of polyglot (with contribution from HGM as well). On the right there is a link to release, where you can get a windows executable.

kajalmaya

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@SaltWaterRabbit said in #16:

&&&&&&
The Banksia GUI seems to have a bunch of opening book creation tools with a clickable interface.
It seems to be able to create a bunch of different book outputs including Polyglot. Correct?
It seems that this can create polyglot books? (plus other newer formats that can handle Chess960 and other stuff)
banksiagui.com/download/
banksiagui.com/otherdownloads/
Discussion on Tools for Polyglot Engines (includes Banskia)
www.talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=80901
Any help in my little adventure is appreciated?

I have tried banksiagui a little, but not much. It is being actively developed, but in my experience it was a bit buggy (when I tried it), so I gave up. I found the gui not very discoverable, so I prefer command line if something can be done on command line. On the other hand, on talkchess the developer of banksia is very active, and you will get quick answers.

@SaltWaterRabbit said in #16: > &&&&&& > The Banksia GUI seems to have a bunch of opening book creation tools with a clickable interface. > It seems to be able to create a bunch of different book outputs including Polyglot. Correct? > It seems that this can create polyglot books? (plus other newer formats that can handle Chess960 and other stuff) > banksiagui.com/download/ > banksiagui.com/otherdownloads/ > Discussion on Tools for Polyglot Engines (includes Banskia) > www.talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=80901 > Any help in my little adventure is appreciated? I have tried banksiagui a little, but not much. It is being actively developed, but in my experience it was a bit buggy (when I tried it), so I gave up. I found the gui not very discoverable, so I prefer command line if something can be done on command line. On the other hand, on talkchess the developer of banksia is very active, and you will get quick answers.

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@kajalmaya said in #17:

so I suggest starting with simple use of polyglot on a pgn collection.
A big help. (A bug help I wrote first) Thanks a lot. I have enough to get started and hack around myself. I will start with the Muller Polygot and a simple command line task as you suggested. I do not plan to try to use you as tech support!
I did 7/8 university programming courses including 3 Fortran Wat5 courses - so you better stand back and WATch out.
Thanks again. My adventure continues. Fun.

@kajalmaya said in #17: > so I suggest starting with simple use of polyglot on a pgn collection. A big help. (A bug help I wrote first) Thanks a lot. I have enough to get started and hack around myself. I will start with the Muller Polygot and a simple command line task as you suggested. I do not plan to try to use you as tech support! I did 7/8 university programming courses including 3 Fortran Wat5 courses - so you better stand back and WATch out. Thanks again. My adventure continues. Fun.

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