How to calculate pawn endgames?

@dboing said in #60:

Not only, "they", me too. I have had many opportunities to re-shape my intuition before chess.

Yes, just kidding. I could feel my own intuition (nice word, "in" + "tuition") change in extreme ways as I was studying a degree in Mathematics, also when you are continously (and, as you pointed out, for long enough) exposed to alien ideas like unknown musical styles, a foreign language, etc... even Internet memes/jokes.

By the way, I think this internalization has to do with the body assigning specific neural areas to these new abilities. Don't remember where I got it, though.

@OctoPinky said in #61:

By the way, I think this internalization has to do with the body assigning specific neural areas to these new abilities. Don't remember where I got it, though.

apparte:
lichess i keep loosing sight of my cursor in your input boxes.. on edge and windows 10 (potent user control prison combination?).

about brain plasticity.. a principle.. comes from above... Actually, it is about neurons being only the bones of the brain. The real plasticity or the muscles being specifically adapted agonist or antagonist to some "function" in a huge "space" we have little clues about its implementation but apparently are finding non-invasive ways to posit about laterly.. eye gaze and attention processes seem to have more to say, as bottleneck of information processing at least for those of us visual thinking inclined (we all have it, but the cost of using that over the linguistic kind might be different for each of us, might be about some kind of gating by some areas of the brain having more say on the whole shebang).

no need for new areas. there is lots of room.. We don't concentrate our view of the world in one tiny area per topic. maybe skills (late skills) might be hardwired, like language, small region, so vascular accidents might have more probabilty even if smaller in physical volume event to be externally obeservable. but visual thinking I would say if something that has evolved way before language, and might be very robust.. Why we get sad with some of our elders apparently still in there, but having lost ability to let us know what they can still think and relate to.

my unreferenced thoughts.. I relate to your own reshaping trajectory. A

Apparte:
nd my cursor is still a lottery to guess where. see the A up there? not fixing it. it is kind of evidence...

@dboing said in #62:

no need for new areas. there is lots of room..

No, I didn't mean new areas but hardwiring new abilities in a physically localized area for efficiency, the same way old computers had a math chip, or graphic cards have a dedicated CPU/GPU. It makes sense when you think intuitive knowledge seems to make "burst" complete reasonings or gestures in a fraction of second.

I think I read about that in "Sleights of Mind", by Macknik, Martínez-Conde and Blakeslee.

@OctoPinky said in #63:

I have not read that.. but no. I insist. dispersed not localized. although lots of mapping have been possible for the somatic sensory hard wiring, via neuro-anatomic empirical means (such distancing words). The visual cortex layering fine grain anatomy speaks of a more redundant distribution of information processing. I can only point to the rare naming of stuff that had to stick in my blob of knowledge, Hubel and Wiesel. Also given the empirical means that had to be used in all those research endeavors, I think I had to remember some pointers like that. Now we can build on that in many ways. But the way visual input in transformed at each layer, is very much like artificial neural nets have come back to use as work horse of the current money shoving (in which direction, might be the question, but not here) mainstream market expansion we are all seeing. There was a paradigm shift needed from their limited technology use as license plate digit recognition tools, via fully densely connected deep NN so establish better mathematical formalism, so that the sparser connectivity architecture over even deeper number of layers could come back as easier to train technology. I would bet that evolution would have thought so too, if I were not afraid of looking like it had some intention (I come from physics originally, kind of not afraid to make hypotheses that might be wrong upon further data, because we tend to make more hypotheses too right after, it seems to have become deep belief in me).

That can get a little unit ball vascular accident, and we would still be able to process.. This fine grain models has been pushed further into what is called a connectionist model of memory.. The grandmother neuron.. (which is just a pointer for the hypernetwork made of synaptic jungle of connections). It may be that a coarser grain of anatomy, between the more hard wired somato-sensory map (actually 2D mapped the surgeon or anatomist can look at it as a map of the body, morphed of course, which might be itself not frozen for individual plasticiy). I tend to look at all animals too.. (a kind of sin, in evolutionary circles, comparing us as some evolutive complexity end-point, but things that have empirically shown to be shared or not, give me some sense of not being too far flung from the handle so far).

Broca. yes.. seems hard wired like you would think. or I still did not get it. Perhaps the grand-mother cell (surgeons might show off, to their student with woken patient giving thought feedback per intracranial pointed stimulation. but that does not mean that it is localised in that neuron. all the information is still distributed and yes that neuron general stimulation would also probably be the then representant responsive location. but it is the synaptic network all around that make it so..

I guess there is some chewing about it left for me too. Would another neuron or neuronnal area minimally shifted. who fine grain is such stimluation. anyway the model is about the connectivity.. of the ensemble.. I think though it might be an open question. thank you.. I would need to revise. or pursue your reference for its references.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleights_of_Mind

my first impression is that it is about high level concepts involving social interactions and manipulations.. Lots of implicit stuff might fly in all directions. I would be curious about a review of that book that focuses on the neuro-anatomic scientific basis, not just on the digested expert explanations using high level illustrations. Can you hear the chess analogy seeping through as I write?

I think between my fine grain blob of thoughts and that book and your impression or take home, there might be the floating undetermined time scales of what we have been talking about.. which relates back to this thread.. The statistical brain alone takes a lot of time and exposure repetition (and often forgotten in the implicit theories of learning I have come to induce: the exploration range=diversity= anti-similairty implies distance, the other side of similarity clustering, might be the distance between clusters, for those who accept this language as possible goggles). It seems I put the crucial stuff inside parentheses, it is my critical voice, I guess. I thought I had it under control, years ago.. but now seems to coexist well. for me. not for readers. Marvin out.

And using populations in some well known neck of the global cultural social woods, would be a "play" on common sense notions. The actual practice origin of the experts, are actually about outlier detection, such as the increasing smooth distribution explored notion of autism.. They seem to be mapping the whole population high cognition functino from high level end point measures.

I have been wondering when (if) they will look at the bigger picture past the selection bias and clinical comorbidity thresholds that they might be spilling over and not realizing that some words are prisons.. or maybe we need convergence having one word is better than a vector of words... That is off topic, my speciality.. off but always tangentially connected..

marine life has other brain spatial distribution of "calculation" going on. For specific environments of locomotion (but that would be a hypothesis relating some present trait to also present environment, and assuming they would have evolved also in such environment, but I am making hypotheses that may help me connect data, so my long term memory can hold on to that, it has).

Also experiments of locomotion is certain kind of marine puzzles seem to indicate such spatial distribution, and at the same time, imagine the kind of environment where such octopus animal familiy may have had adaptive compatibility (I don't need to make it an advantage, as there does not have to be competition, just adaptation, who knows if some of their ancestors have not found different environments and locomotion problems that would not be solved that way. Again looping back to chess, that would be hindsight but for that branch, that does seem adaptive in the locomotion problem. too much off topic? We can build adaptive hypotheses, I think. anyway , for chess, we have access if we want to more than the leaf of the evolution branch in question.
Edit: this is not about plasticity, more about the hard wiring. Or at evolutionary scale the plasticity of brain or CNS body development plan (even the word plan is suspect, but fear not it can be a posteriori by selection, no need for ex-machine intent, just need some niches, and characterizing the niches, chess lurking in the undertext still.

It is also possible by body plan development should have that word ordering. so my thing about intent is just bonus then. It would be about the layout of the body tissue differentiations once done. Yet, yet, ... it is also something that is being developed, by tissue growth, and many tissues intercellular communication all along, not only neuronal membrane fast communication (member potential is the currency there), but through the wet biology of it all (all space scales and time scales of inter tissue and intercellular communication, and not to forget the genes having encapsulated by information to be made dynamically manifest for whatever individual environment context. We are adapted to our blue planet, did not get dropped on it, if molecular composition can tell.

now should be done. this was an editing afterthought. last paragraph. I rest and find new energy to share my guts again. but I think this is all.

@OctoPinky said in #59:

Well, for an example, lesson one: the King has to protect the pawn advancing before it. Maybe it is just me, but at first it seemed nonsense to me.

after thought. This is not just the chess is a turn game thing. But it might be exactly the intuition point. To harness per-existing intuition, dissecting the problems back to core rules of chess, and king walks, actually allowed my spatial pre-existing intuition (I might be warped there, but let's assume not.. making this an hypothesis as well) to be harnessed by who made me see the more dissected version of chess theory. Enough so that my logic abilities could work in tandem with my intuition and re-shape it, mostly adjust it to an non-isotropic dynamic chessboard on its plane. sorry for the shortcuts.. I have to wake up now.. (take a walk).

someone is not agreeing much about much. Those mysterious ways of social media small finite lexicon (like in wall-e, our homunculus, male or female, or other body plans, might end-up with only thumbs left. Me I am just looking back for one of my post with a picture in it.. not here.. Hi, all.