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After I won this game

https://lichess.org/6r5tRSt48Cot

My opponent lost 13 points but I only gained 6. We've played about the same amount of games and a +6 increase generally seems low for a win over a higher rated opponent

After I won this game https://lichess.org/6r5tRSt48Cot My opponent lost 13 points but I only gained 6. We've played about the same amount of games and a +6 increase generally seems low for a win over a higher rated opponent

dkappe

#2

lichess uses the Glicko-2 rating system. It's described here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glicko_rating_system

One aspect of the system is how "up to date" your rating is. If you haven't played in a while, your rating may change quite a bit as a result of a game result.

lichess uses the Glicko-2 rating system. It's described here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glicko_rating_system One aspect of the system is how "up to date" your rating is. If you haven't played in a while, your rating may change quite a bit as a result of a game result.

drmrboss edited

#3

I had +294 points for beating a 2500 rated bot in a single game( I had about 37 losses to that bot previously).

https://lichess.org/azmTTEAf#17

I had +294 points for beating a 2500 rated bot in a single game( I had about 37 losses to that bot previously). https://lichess.org/azmTTEAf#17

lecw

edited

#4

OP, because you play pretty regularly, your rating is rather stable, and it will change less with each game. Your opponent only played 4 rapid games in the last two weeks (to your ~30), so their rating is more uncertain and that game is more significative for them.

6 points is also what I get when I win/lose vs opponents of equal strength (1710 and 1750 is about same) in variants I play often, see e.g.

https://lichess.org/XBuE8c2D84RZ

. Compare to a 12/15 points change in a variant we seldom play (

https://lichess.org/1CGzVK0ZEE14

). Also back when your own rating was less well determined you had wilder changes (

https://lichess.org/J8soMvmg/black

).

Wow @drmrboss impressive game, where did you find that O-O :D

OP, because you play pretty regularly, your rating is rather stable, and it will change less with each game. Your opponent only played 4 rapid games in the last two weeks (to your ~30), so their rating is more uncertain and that game is more significative for them. 6 points is also what I get when I win/lose vs opponents of equal strength (1710 and 1750 is about same) in variants I play often, see e.g. https://lichess.org/XBuE8c2D84RZ. Compare to a 12/15 points change in a variant we seldom play (https://lichess.org/1CGzVK0ZEE14). Also back when your own rating was less well determined you had wilder changes (https://lichess.org/J8soMvmg/black). Wow @drmrboss impressive game, where did you find that O-O :D

drmrboss edited

#5

@lecw , Stockfish, of course. After losing about a dozen games, I analysed with Stockfish and found Leela's flaw in opening. So I practice with Stockfish and memorize the opening repertoire.

As leela moves are very predictable, I play the same opening with 1. d4 ( all white pieces for about 20 games straight). She come out with that flaw in 2 games out of 20. I could take her out in my last game.

Believe it or not, I had similar experience in my teenage in 20 years ago. I was probably 1600 but could beat 2800+ PC in certain specific opening, specific gambit when engine doesnt have access to opening book.

2500 handicapped Stockfish will be ways harder to beat than 2500 Leela because today engines like Stockfish is much harder to predict.

It is like a final boss fight in RPG, I had to try about 2-3 hours, multiple times.

@lecw , Stockfish, of course. After losing about a dozen games, I analysed with Stockfish and found Leela's flaw in opening. So I practice with Stockfish and memorize the opening repertoire. As leela moves are very predictable, I play the same opening with 1. d4 ( all white pieces for about 20 games straight). She come out with that flaw in 2 games out of 20. I could take her out in my last game. Believe it or not, I had similar experience in my teenage in 20 years ago. I was probably 1600 but could beat 2800+ PC in certain specific opening, specific gambit when engine doesnt have access to opening book. 2500 handicapped Stockfish will be ways harder to beat than 2500 Leela because today engines like Stockfish is much harder to predict. It is like a final boss fight in RPG, I had to try about 2-3 hours, multiple times.

MoistvonLipwig

#6

@drmrboss I would imagine handicapped SF is harder because it makes mistakes randomly which leads to the play varying. Whereas if you ask the engine to play the best move it will usually come up with the same move repeatedly.