If we look at the u20 national list in usa i would be around 40-50th but currently im 150 in u13 nationals india
If we look at the u20 national list in usa i would be around 40-50th but currently im 150 in u13 nationals india
@The_ThreeChecks said in #7:
It depends on the number of games/tournaments you play. This formula of 2300 Lichess should be 1800 FIDE is wrong (I am 2291 lichess and 1955 FIDE but that's a different story) I have seen many Indian players who are even 2400-2500 on lichess but just 1500-1600 FIDE, in my opinion, its just difficult to increase in India I've also played 2 tournaments in India and both went really bad. I feel India just has really strong players who are underrated.
I actually live in Canada so there are many FIDE tournaments
@Alientcp said in #3:
Well, for 2300 here, you should be around 1800 FIDE or so.
So, to increase your rating OTB to your actual rating, you actually have to grind tournaments until your rating catches up with your level.
But thats only for reflect an accurate rating. If you want to actually get better at chess, there is no secret, you have to study.
I grind tournaments a lot as well. Played over 40 FIDE rated games i think (https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2651637) and 100s of games CFC (national) rated https://www.chess.ca/en/ratings/p/?id=173096. I know I shouldn't be at this level in OTB but for some weird reason I am.
@The_ThreeChecks said in #7:
> It depends on the number of games/tournaments you play. This formula of 2300 Lichess should be 1800 FIDE is wrong (I am 2291 lichess and 1955 FIDE but that's a different story) I have seen many Indian players who are even 2400-2500 on lichess but just 1500-1600 FIDE, in my opinion, its just difficult to increase in India I've also played 2 tournaments in India and both went really bad. I feel India just has really strong players who are underrated.
I actually live in Canada so there are many FIDE tournaments
@Alientcp said in #3:
> Well, for 2300 here, you should be around 1800 FIDE or so.
> So, to increase your rating OTB to your actual rating, you actually have to grind tournaments until your rating catches up with your level.
>
> But thats only for reflect an accurate rating. If you want to actually get better at chess, there is no secret, you have to study.
I grind tournaments a lot as well. Played over 40 FIDE rated games i think (https://ratings.fide.com/profile/2651637) and 100s of games CFC (national) rated https://www.chess.ca/en/ratings/p/?id=173096. I know I shouldn't be at this level in OTB but for some weird reason I am.
@AshwinChunchu said in #12:
Played over 40 FIDE rated games
40 games is not a good sample. At least 100 are needed if you were underrated from the beginning, but some 200 should be enough.
In the other one, you say have over 100 at least, as proven, you do indeed have approx the rating I stated.
You just have to grind FIDE tournaments more.
@AshwinChunchu said in #12:
> Played over 40 FIDE rated games
40 games is not a good sample. At least 100 are needed if you were underrated from the beginning, but some 200 should be enough.
In the other one, you say have over 100 at least, as proven, you do indeed have approx the rating I stated.
You just have to grind FIDE tournaments more.
oh ok I thought 40 games gives a good resemblance of my actual rating. Now I know i need 100+ we'll see how it will be once I play 100 games to end all these "1800-1900 FIDE" doubts that people are having.
oh ok I thought 40 games gives a good resemblance of my actual rating. Now I know i need 100+ we'll see how it will be once I play 100 games to end all these "1800-1900 FIDE" doubts that people are having.
@AshwinChunchu No substitutes for Study of Chess Books & Chess Videos
@AshwinChunchu No substitutes for Study of Chess Books & Chess Videos
& looking at your games & games of others @AshwinChunchu
& looking at your games & games of others @AshwinChunchu
@AshwinChunchu said in #14:
oh ok I thought 40 games gives a good resemblance of my actual rating.
25 games is considered an established rating by USCF.
@AshwinChunchu said in #14:
> oh ok I thought 40 games gives a good resemblance of my actual rating.
25 games is considered an established rating by USCF.
I asked chatgpt when does Elo become reliable or stable.
There is no definitive answer to how many games are needed for the Elo rating to become reliable, as it depends on various factors such as the rating pool, the rating difference, the step-size value, and the frequency of games. However, some general guidelines can be given based on the analysis of the Elo algorithm 89:
- The larger the rating pool, the more accurate the ratings are, as they reflect the relative skill levels of more players.
- The larger the rating difference, the faster the ratings converge, as the outcome of the game is more predictable and the rating adjustment is more significant.
- The larger the step-size value, the faster the ratings converge, as the rating change is more sensitive to the game outcome. However, a too large step-size value can also cause instability and oscillation in the ratings.
- The more frequent the games, the faster the ratings converge, as the rating system has more information to update the ratings.
Therefore, to achieve a reliable Elo rating, one should play as many games as possible against a diverse range of opponents with different ratings, and choose an appropriate step-size value that balances the speed and stability of the rating convergence.
Source: Conversation with Bing, 11/28/2023
(1) [2212.12015] A comprehensive analysis of the Elo rating algorithm .... https://arxiv.org/abs/2212.12015.
(2) A comprehensive analysis of the Elo rating algorithm: Stochastic model .... https://arxiv.org/pdf/2212.12015.
(3) Elo rating system - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system.
(4) What's Wrong With the Elo System? | ChessBase. https://en.chessbase.com/post/what-s-wrong-with-the-elo-system.
(5) ELO rating reliable - Chess Forums - Chess.com. https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/elo-rating-reliable.
(6) All truth about ELO rating system - TheChessWorld. https://thechessworld.com/articles/general-information/all-truth-about-elo-rating-system/.
(7) rating - Absolute strength and stability of Elo - Chess Stack Exchange. https://chess.stackexchange.com/questions/30062/absolute-strength-and-stability-of-elo.
(8) Elo Rating Algorithm - GeeksforGeeks. https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/elo-rating-algorithm/.
(9) R: stability index S - search.r-project.org. https://search.r-project.org/CRAN/refmans/EloRating/html/stab_elo.html.
(10) Boltzmann and Fokker–Planck Equations Modelling the Elo Rating System .... https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00332-018-9512-8.
(11) A comprehensive analysis of the Elo rating algorithm ... - DeepAI. https://deepai.org/publication/a-comprehensive-analysis-of-the-elo-rating-algorithm-stochastic-model-convergence-characteristics-design-guidelines-and-experimental-results.
(12) undefined. https://doi.org/10.48550/arXiv.2212.12015.
I asked chatgpt when does Elo become reliable or stable.
There is no definitive answer to how many games are needed for the Elo rating to become reliable, as it depends on various factors such as the rating pool, the rating difference, the step-size value, and the frequency of games. However, some general guidelines can be given based on the analysis of the Elo algorithm 89:
- The larger the rating pool, the more accurate the ratings are, as they reflect the relative skill levels of more players.
- The larger the rating difference, the faster the ratings converge, as the outcome of the game is more predictable and the rating adjustment is more significant.
- The larger the step-size value, the faster the ratings converge, as the rating change is more sensitive to the game outcome. However, a too large step-size value can also cause instability and oscillation in the ratings.
- The more frequent the games, the faster the ratings converge, as the rating system has more information to update the ratings.
Therefore, to achieve a reliable Elo rating, one should play as many games as possible against a diverse range of opponents with different ratings, and choose an appropriate step-size value that balances the speed and stability of the rating convergence.
Source: Conversation with Bing, 11/28/2023
(1) [2212.12015] A comprehensive analysis of the Elo rating algorithm .... https://arxiv.org/abs/2212.12015.
(2) A comprehensive analysis of the Elo rating algorithm: Stochastic model .... https://arxiv.org/pdf/2212.12015.
(3) Elo rating system - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system.
(4) What's Wrong With the Elo System? | ChessBase. https://en.chessbase.com/post/what-s-wrong-with-the-elo-system.
(5) ELO rating reliable - Chess Forums - Chess.com. https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/elo-rating-reliable.
(6) All truth about ELO rating system - TheChessWorld. https://thechessworld.com/articles/general-information/all-truth-about-elo-rating-system/.
(7) rating - Absolute strength and stability of Elo - Chess Stack Exchange. https://chess.stackexchange.com/questions/30062/absolute-strength-and-stability-of-elo.
(8) Elo Rating Algorithm - GeeksforGeeks. https://www.geeksforgeeks.org/elo-rating-algorithm/.
(9) R: stability index _S_ - search.r-project.org. https://search.r-project.org/CRAN/refmans/EloRating/html/stab_elo.html.
(10) Boltzmann and Fokker–Planck Equations Modelling the Elo Rating System .... https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00332-018-9512-8.
(11) A comprehensive analysis of the Elo rating algorithm ... - DeepAI. https://deepai.org/publication/a-comprehensive-analysis-of-the-elo-rating-algorithm-stochastic-model-convergence-characteristics-design-guidelines-and-experimental-results.
(12) undefined. https://doi.org/10.48550/arXiv.2212.12015.
In any case
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If you are underrated, (or maybe even overrated), the only way to find out is to play more games.
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If you're truly 1400 fide classical, and you really want to go higher, and have the resources for it, getting a coach might be the best option.
Some side questions
- Online wins, 1 to 10, 1 speed tricks, 10 real chess strength. What's your self assessment?
- OTB losses, main reasons?
In any case
1. If you are underrated, (or maybe even overrated), the only way to find out is to play more games.
2. If you're truly 1400 fide classical, and you really want to go higher, and have the resources for it, getting a coach might be the best option.
Some side questions
1. Online wins, 1 to 10, 1 speed tricks, 10 real chess strength. What's your self assessment?
2. OTB losses, main reasons?
@GnocchiPup said in #19:
In any case
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If you are underrated, (or maybe even overrated), the only way to find out is to play more games.
-
If you're truly 1400 fide classical, and you really want to go higher, and have the resources for it, getting a coach might be the best option.
Some side questions
- Online wins, 1 to 10, 1 speed tricks, 10 real chess strength. What's your self assessment?
- OTB losses, main reasons?
So I'd say 8-9 is my assessment because I don't do dirty tricks unless I'm lost and my opponent is low in time. I don't lose many OTB games but draw them all unless my opponent blunders.
@GnocchiPup said in #19:
> In any case
>
> 1. If you are underrated, (or maybe even overrated), the only way to find out is to play more games.
>
> 2. If you're truly 1400 fide classical, and you really want to go higher, and have the resources for it, getting a coach might be the best option.
>
> Some side questions
> 1. Online wins, 1 to 10, 1 speed tricks, 10 real chess strength. What's your self assessment?
> 2. OTB losses, main reasons?
So I'd say 8-9 is my assessment because I don't do dirty tricks unless I'm lost and my opponent is low in time. I don't lose many OTB games but draw them all unless my opponent blunders.