About memorizing chess moves + playing against thyself

@Sholmes49 said in #7:

Why do you need to memorize ? What is your goal ?

I was pretending to increase my rating by memorizing moves and eventually subconsciously catch the ideas behind chess by memorizing moves as I was not able to figure out dogmatic sources to explain what moves to make you know...

@JourneyLT said in #16:

No you don't. Memorising is not a good strategy. All that ends up happening is you regurgitate moves that you don't understand, which will inevitably lead you to blunder horribly after the opening is finished and you're out of book. You need to instead unferstand why you play a move, think of the positives and negatives of the move. Have a reason for a move, don't just try to memorise things.

@Alientcp said in #20:

@BasedAlphaMale said in #1:

I need to memorize chess moves. Any ideas?

Why? You need to understand the idea of the position. Once you understand the ideas, you have 0 moves jto memorize, the moves ust flow naturally because you already know where the pieces belong.

I know, but it is kinda hard to understand what moves are the best especially in the beginning part of the game. I am trying to make my own theories about chess.

@BasedAlphaMale said in #21:

@BasedAlphaMale said in #1:

I need to memorize chess moves. Any ideas?

Why? You need to understand the idea of the position. Once you understand the ideas, you have 0 moves jto memorize, the moves ust flow naturally because you already know where the pieces belong.

I know, but it is kinda hard to understand what moves are the best especially in the beginning part of the game. I am trying to make my own theories about chess.

Actually no, you have to understand the ideas, then the moves flow.

What do i want to do? Attack the f7 pawn. Which pieces can attack it fast? The queen, the lightsquare bishop and the kings knight.

So i start e4 to open the lightsquare diagonal. He played e5? Means i can develop the knight i want to develop anyways with a tempo so Nf3. He played Nc6? Ok, i put my bishop in the diagonal to attack f7. If allowed, i can play Ng5 and Qc3-Qh5.

You have to get an idea first, before any theorycrafting. Once you get the idea you want to develop, you check out which moves will allow you to make progress to execute that idea, then once you make a move, you check which opponent move might hinder or stop those plans and you might have to go back and forth to see if you can prevent said moves first in order to not interfere with your idea.

But you have to get an idea or plan first. If you dont have a clue of what you are doing, the moves become aimless, and there will be a point when the opponent will just ignore your move because it doesnt do anything at all and he will get the initiative. And once the opponent gets the initiative, he just wont let it go, and you will never attack.

Thats how you lose games. If you dont know what to do in an opening, if you have no idea what the goal is, what you are aiming to, then dont play it, its not useful at all, and certainly the odds of finding the proper moves are slim to none, as you have no idea what is going on.

But if you dont know the opening, but have a decent picture of what you want to achieve to mid game, you will understand that you have to make moves that move you forward to that goal, hence, finding the proper moves, or closer to proper moves becomes easier as you will narrow to 2-3 candidate moves.

Learning moves by heart (the same way you learn a poem) seems a bit illusory in what is basically a thinking game.
Instead, simply playing the moves of great players, without the variants/analyses, allows to get into the spirit of the game.
5 mn per game during1 hour, so 12 games per day, that is 60-70 games per week, 250-300 games per month, more than 3500 games per year... (method recommended by Dan Heisman)

What is your activity on lichess ? I see no games, no puzzle...

I think memorising the first 4-5 moves of any opening isn't bad but you wanna improve your overall chess/development. Fischer despised memorisation, he thought it took away from the beauty of imagination hence why chess 960 exists.

@Sholmes49 said in #23:

Learning moves by heart (the same way you learn a poem) seems a bit illusory in what is basically a thinking game.
Instead, simply playing the moves of great players, without the variants/analyses, allows to get into the spirit of the game.
5 mn per game during1 hour, so 12 games per day, that is 60-70 games per week, 250-300 games per month, more than 3500 games per year... (method recommended by Dan Heisman)

What is your activity on lichess ? I see no games, no puzzle...
I play on Chess.com.

I still haven't met a player that used the woodpecker method of memorization, and didn't immediately burn out on chess. Anyone out there?

@BasedAlphaMale said in #25:

@Sholmes49 said in #23:

Learning moves by heart (the same way you learn a poem) seems a bit illusory in what is basically a thinking game.
Instead, simply playing the moves of great players, without the variants/analyses, allows to get into the spirit of the game.
5 mn per game during1 hour, so 12 games per day, that is 60-70 games per week, 250-300 games per month, more than 3500 games per year... (method recommended by Dan Heisman)

What is your activity on lichess ? I see no games, no puzzle...

I play on Chess.com.
Then why are you here? Go post on the chess.com forums

@eRiKjaKin said in #27:

@BasedAlphaMale said in #25:

@Sholmes49 said in #23:

Learning moves by heart (the same way you learn a poem) seems a bit illusory in what is basically a thinking game.
Instead, simply playing the moves of great players, without the variants/analyses, allows to get into the spirit of the game.
5 mn per game during1 hour, so 12 games per day, that is 60-70 games per week, 250-300 games per month, more than 3500 games per year... (method recommended by Dan Heisman)

What is your activity on lichess ? I see no games, no puzzle...

I play on Chess.com.

Then why are you here? Go post on the chess.com forums
Chess.com forum sucks. It seems nobody responds you there.

@BasedAlphaMale said in #28:

@eRiKjaKin said in #27:
@BasedAlphaMale said in #25:

@Sholmes49 said in #23:

Learning moves by heart (the same way you learn a poem) seems a bit illusory in what is basically a thinking game.
Instead, simply playing the moves of great players, without the variants/analyses, allows to get into the spirit of the game.
5 mn per game during1 hour, so 12 games per day, that is 60-70 games per week, 250-300 games per month, more than 3500 games per year... (method recommended by Dan Heisman)

What is your activity on lichess ? I see no games, no puzzle...

I play on Chess.com.

Then why are you here? Go post on the chess.com forums

Chess.com forum sucks. It seems nobody responds you there.

I love quoting people. Can you do that on chess.com?

@wolfCR said in #29:

@BasedAlphaMale said in #28:

@eRiKjaKin said in #27:
@BasedAlphaMale said in #25:

@Sholmes49 said in #23:

Learning moves by heart (the same way you learn a poem) seems a bit illusory in what is basically a thinking game.
Instead, simply playing the moves of great players, without the variants/analyses, allows to get into the spirit of the game.
5 mn per game during1 hour, so 12 games per day, that is 60-70 games per week, 250-300 games per month, more than 3500 games per year... (method recommended by Dan Heisman)

What is your activity on lichess ? I see no games, no puzzle...

I play on Chess.com.

Then why are you here? Go post on the chess.com forums

Chess.com forum sucks. It seems nobody responds you there.

I love quoting people. Can you do that on chess.com/?
Apparently yes.