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How to play against the setup of Scandinavian typical c6,e6 setup.

I am facing a lot of Scandinavian these days and I am having problem as white to play against it.
In my games as white, black is comfortable having the e6,c6 setup. I don't know where to place the light-squared bishop since ideally I place it on c4, but due to e6,c6 pawns it seems odd. More over due to suboptimal way black can get an easy Nf6-d5 and Nd7-e5 which also is something not able to stop. Please help me to understand how can I have a decent position against this.

Following is the game for analysis.

https://lichess.org/V8s3ffhd

Also do try to enjoy this tactic which I missed during the game:
FEN: r4rk1/pp1n1ppp/2p1pn2/q7/1bBP2P1/P1N2Q1P/1PPB1P2/R3K2R
https://imgur.com/Kugzzvs

I am facing a lot of Scandinavian these days and I am having problem as white to play against it. In my games as white, black is comfortable having the e6,c6 setup. I don't know where to place the light-squared bishop since ideally I place it on c4, but due to e6,c6 pawns it seems odd. More over due to suboptimal way black can get an easy Nf6-d5 and Nd7-e5 which also is something not able to stop. Please help me to understand how can I have a decent position against this. Following is the game for analysis. https://lichess.org/V8s3ffhd Also do try to enjoy this tactic which I missed during the game: FEN: r4rk1/pp1n1ppp/2p1pn2/q7/1bBP2P1/P1N2Q1P/1PPB1P2/R3K2R https://imgur.com/Kugzzvs
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@TheKingClash said in #2:

One plan is to play c4 and break through the formation with an eventual d5. Another is to attack the b7-c6 pawn chain with a4 and b5, along with taking advantage of the squares c5 and e5. Usually a kingside pawnstorm is not the way to go.

In addition to that for me it seemed more natural to...
A) place the light-squared bishop on d3 and
b) keep the dark-squared bishop alife (by trying to exchange the opponents dark-squared bishop for a knight => for dominating the dark squares later on in that pawn structure).

I'm not that used to the Scandinavian structures, so this are only some general thoughts that came to my mind...

Have fun!

@TheKingClash said in #2: > One plan is to play c4 and break through the formation with an eventual d5. Another is to attack the b7-c6 pawn chain with a4 and b5, along with taking advantage of the squares c5 and e5. Usually a kingside pawnstorm is not the way to go. In addition to that for me it seemed more natural to... A) place the light-squared bishop on d3 and b) keep the dark-squared bishop alife (by trying to exchange the opponents dark-squared bishop for a knight => for dominating the dark squares later on in that pawn structure). I'm not that used to the Scandinavian structures, so this are only some general thoughts that came to my mind... Have fun!

5..Bg4 is a popular inaccuracy, and after Bxf3 you have the bishop pair for no compensation.
you already have a static advantage and more space, you don't need to force anything. like, i don't mind g4, but it's a step in the wrong direction - just castle, finish development and take it from there.

as for the light-squared bishop, Bc4 isn't exactly ideal for the reasons you mentioned (Bd3 is the best attacking square, with an eye on h7), but it's not a trivial decision.
in the short term, your d4 and b2 pawns are slightly loose (d4 in particular has lost the protection of both the Nf3 and the queen), so you need to watch out for black's Qb6 and how to respond to it - Bd3 would make d4 even harder to defend. also, you might be able to make use of Bc4 for a sacrifice on e6 at some point, or to block the b-file with Bb3 (though the bishop may also be a target for black's queenside pawn storm there, but that's going to take a while).

5..Bg4 is a popular inaccuracy, and after Bxf3 you have the bishop pair for no compensation. you already have a static advantage and more space, you don't need to force anything. like, i don't mind g4, but it's a step in the wrong direction - just castle, finish development and take it from there. as for the light-squared bishop, Bc4 isn't exactly ideal for the reasons you mentioned (Bd3 is the best attacking square, with an eye on h7), but it's not a trivial decision. in the short term, your d4 and b2 pawns are slightly loose (d4 in particular has lost the protection of both the Nf3 and the queen), so you need to watch out for black's Qb6 and how to respond to it - Bd3 would make d4 even harder to defend. also, you might be able to make use of Bc4 for a sacrifice on e6 at some point, or to block the b-file with Bb3 (though the bishop may also be a target for black's queenside pawn storm there, but that's going to take a while).

You just use wrong move order. E4 d5 ed Nf6 d4!. There is theory that you must know if you want have good results

You just use wrong move order. E4 d5 ed Nf6 d4!. There is theory that you must know if you want have good results

i play 3 Nf3 vs 2..Nf6 myself. it's a matter of taste, and perhaps of consistency.
the main benefit of 3 Nf3 is getting some good extra options against 3..Bg4 (especially 4 Bb5+ Nbd7 5 h3), while not forfeiting d4+c4 approaches against Nxd5.

one drawback is that if you play vs Qxd5 with like Nc3 Bc4 Bd2 Nge2, then you can get move ordered by 3 Nf3 Qxd5, when you can no longer transpose back to that system. that said, this Nc3+Nf3 setup is also quite critical (and i like it), there's nothing wrong with white's opening play up to that point.

i play 3 Nf3 vs 2..Nf6 myself. it's a matter of taste, and perhaps of consistency. the main benefit of 3 Nf3 is getting some good extra options against 3..Bg4 (especially 4 Bb5+ Nbd7 5 h3), while not forfeiting d4+c4 approaches against Nxd5. one drawback is that if you play vs Qxd5 with like Nc3 Bc4 Bd2 Nge2, then you can get move ordered by 3 Nf3 Qxd5, when you can no longer transpose back to that system. that said, this Nc3+Nf3 setup is also quite critical (and i like it), there's nothing wrong with white's opening play up to that point.

@Haruhi said in #6:

i play 3 Nf3 vs 2..Nf6 myself. it's a matter of taste, and perhaps of consistency.
the main benefit of 3 Nf3 is getting some good extra options against 3..Bg4 (especially 4 Bb5+ Nbd7 5 h3), while not forfeiting d4+c4 approaches against Nxd5.

one drawback is that if you play vs Qxd5 with like Nc3 Bc4 Bd2 Nge2, then you can get move ordered by 3 Nf3 Qxd5, when you can no longer transpose back to that system. that said, this Nc3+Nf3 setup is also quite critical (and i like it), there's nothing wrong with white's opening play up to that point.
It is the same to say I can mate in two, but I will win a pawn instead

@Haruhi said in #6: > i play 3 Nf3 vs 2..Nf6 myself. it's a matter of taste, and perhaps of consistency. > the main benefit of 3 Nf3 is getting some good extra options against 3..Bg4 (especially 4 Bb5+ Nbd7 5 h3), while not forfeiting d4+c4 approaches against Nxd5. > > one drawback is that if you play vs Qxd5 with like Nc3 Bc4 Bd2 Nge2, then you can get move ordered by 3 Nf3 Qxd5, when you can no longer transpose back to that system. that said, this Nc3+Nf3 setup is also quite critical (and i like it), there's nothing wrong with white's opening play up to that point. It is the same to say I can mate in two, but I will win a pawn instead

@Haruhi said in #6:

i play 3 Nf3 vs 2..Nf6 myself. it's a matter of taste, and perhaps of consistency.
the main benefit of 3 Nf3 is getting some good extra options against 3..Bg4 (especially 4 Bb5+ Nbd7 5 h3), while not forfeiting d4+c4 approaches against Nxd5.

one drawback is that if you play vs Qxd5 with like Nc3 Bc4 Bd2 Nge2, then you can get move ordered by 3 Nf3 Qxd5, when you can no longer transpose back to that system. that said, this Nc3+Nf3 setup is also quite critical (and i like it), there's nothing wrong with white's opening play up to that point.
It is the same to say I can mate in two, but I will win a pawn instead@Haruhi said in #6:
i play 3 Nf3 vs 2..Nf6 myself. it's a matter of taste, and perhaps of consistency.
the main benefit of 3 Nf3 is getting some good extra options against 3..Bg4 (especially 4 Bb5+ Nbd7 5 h3), while not forfeiting d4+c4 approaches against Nxd5.

one drawback is that if you play vs Qxd5 with like Nc3 Bc4 Bd2 Nge2, then you can get move ordered by 3 Nf3 Qxd5, when you can no longer transpose back to that system. that said, this Nc3+Nf3 setup is also quite critical (and i like it), there's nothing wrong with white's opening play up to that point.
Your systems are completely pointless and harmless!!!

@Haruhi said in #6: > i play 3 Nf3 vs 2..Nf6 myself. it's a matter of taste, and perhaps of consistency. > the main benefit of 3 Nf3 is getting some good extra options against 3..Bg4 (especially 4 Bb5+ Nbd7 5 h3), while not forfeiting d4+c4 approaches against Nxd5. > > one drawback is that if you play vs Qxd5 with like Nc3 Bc4 Bd2 Nge2, then you can get move ordered by 3 Nf3 Qxd5, when you can no longer transpose back to that system. that said, this Nc3+Nf3 setup is also quite critical (and i like it), there's nothing wrong with white's opening play up to that point. It is the same to say I can mate in two, but I will win a pawn instead@Haruhi said in #6: > i play 3 Nf3 vs 2..Nf6 myself. it's a matter of taste, and perhaps of consistency. > the main benefit of 3 Nf3 is getting some good extra options against 3..Bg4 (especially 4 Bb5+ Nbd7 5 h3), while not forfeiting d4+c4 approaches against Nxd5. > > one drawback is that if you play vs Qxd5 with like Nc3 Bc4 Bd2 Nge2, then you can get move ordered by 3 Nf3 Qxd5, when you can no longer transpose back to that system. that said, this Nc3+Nf3 setup is also quite critical (and i like it), there's nothing wrong with white's opening play up to that point. Your systems are completely pointless and harmless!!!

I was researching on ways to counter Scandinavian (I hate facing Scandinavian) and found an interesting setup. I found a rather new (but harmless to black) which is to go g3 and fianchetto the f1-bishop. But it's actually pretty harmless. The setup is more of a kind to get a reasonable position (and to discomfort black a bit).

I was researching on ways to counter Scandinavian (I hate facing Scandinavian) and found an interesting setup. I found a rather new (but harmless to black) which is to go g3 and fianchetto the f1-bishop. But it's actually pretty harmless. The setup is more of a kind to get a reasonable position (and to discomfort black a bit).

@Divyesh_B said in #9:

I was researching on ways to counter Scandinavian (I hate facing Scandinavian) and found an interesting setup. I found a rather new (but harmless to black) which is to go g3 and fianchetto the f1-bishop. But it's actually pretty harmless. The setup is more of a kind to get a reasonable position (and to discomfort black a bit).
It is not new at all and it is as you have said harmless

@Divyesh_B said in #9: > I was researching on ways to counter Scandinavian (I hate facing Scandinavian) and found an interesting setup. I found a rather new (but harmless to black) which is to go g3 and fianchetto the f1-bishop. But it's actually pretty harmless. The setup is more of a kind to get a reasonable position (and to discomfort black a bit). It is not new at all and it is as you have said harmless

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