But as a believer in your own god you really need to understand other religions belief in their own god. Eg Islam/Hindu/Buddism/Paganism to name a few!!!!
Just my opinion for what it's worth:))
// I do understand that the other religions Worship other Gods. I have studied other religions, and spoke to many people of other religions. Ex. My neighbor is a Hindi who believes in the Hindu religion. We have shared many respectful adult conversations, it is productive to ask questions and be kindly open minded. But we will never change each others mind, we understand that. So we pray for each other.
@QuarterQuell So as I understand it you treat the Old Testament as a statement of old law, a historical text, which is no longer valid and has been replaced by the New Testament. That's a good position in my opinion for someone who is a Christian. It's closer, for example, to the position of my partner who is also a Christian.
So when you wrote
> As a Christian I personally am against the trans movement. That does not mean I am anti LGBTQ (plus some) on a personal level I believe trans genderism is wrong based off me observing and living by the Bible. [...]
you meant that you live by the New Testament and the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Where in the New Testament does it cover any mention of Jesus saying that "trans genderism is wrong"?
No it is most certainly valid still (since all of Gods word is timeless) I just meant that Christians no longer have to live under the old Jewish laws of that time.
Both of these are good examples of old law. The Jews still (to a point) chose to live under these laws. I have a friend who is a Messianic Jew, meaning he believes in Jesus Christ, he is of Jewish descent and he observes old testament law. I personally don't understand that fully, I've never asked him before (I really should XD) but that's what he does . Examples from the letter. I've saved the tricky ones for later don't worry I didn't forget
5. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. The passage
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still
play football if I wear gloves?
Lol. This better explains it
Christians are no longer directly subject to the laws of the Mosaic Covenant, but instead live under the provisions of the New Covenant.
"But once we agree that the Mosaic Covenant no longer has binding force on us today, we still have to realize that the Old Testament is a valuable source of ethical wisdom when we understand it in a way that’s consistent with how the New Testament authors used the Old Testament for ethical teaching."
This is what I learned from him!
Well, the short and simple answer is that I’m Jewish. God gave the Law of Moses (or “Torah” in Hebrew) to the Jewish people forever. So Gentile believers don’t need to keep the Torah, but God still wants Jewish believers to. That’s why Paul, who was a Jewish believer, circumcised Timothy, who was also a Jewish believer (Acts 16:1-3, but he didn’t circumcise Titus, a Greek believer—Galatians 2:3). We also see this in Acts 21:17-26, where Paul demonstrates that he himself kept the Torah, and wasn’t teaching Jewish believers to apostasize from Moses (but he taught that Gentiles simply needed to keep away from blood, strangled things, idolatry, and sexual immorality, and that they didn’t need to keep the whole Torah). And lastly (I know this is getting a little long, so sorry about that hahaha), Yeshua (Jesus) Himself says in Matthew 5:18-19 to His Jewish audience that not even one stroke or letter of the Torah will pass away until heaven and earth pass away, and if anyone unbinds any of its commands, he’ll be least in the kingdom of heaven, but those who do and teach the commands of Torah will be greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
But to be clear, we don’t believe we’re saved by keeping Torah. It doesn’t earn us extra righteousness or contribute to our salvation. They’re just extra commands for Jews to keep.
@QuarterQuell sorry I don't understand all of this!! Being an atheist!! But as long as you don't use your religion to attack transgender people/ believers in a different god from yours, it's all cool with me!!
No problem at all.
Here are the verses I think will be suitable
Old Testament
“A woman shall not wear anything that pertains to a man, nor shall a man put on a woman’s garment, for all who do so are an abomination to the Lord your God.“ - Deuteronomy 22:5 NKJV
”You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion.” - Leviticus 18:22-23 NKJV
New Testament
Mark 10:7–8
7 ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, 8 and the two shall become one flesh.’ So they are no longer two but one flesh.
“Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.” - 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 NKJV
The verses from Mark and from Corinthians are NT (New Testament)
@QuarterQuell Thanks for posting the bible verses. Like buny77 I don't understand the theology, but I think there may be hope because those verses you quote don't rule out your accepting of trans women as women and trans men as men. The Deuteronomy passage would only mean that trans women should not wear men's clothes and trans men should not wear women's clothes. The Leviticus passage condemns me, for example, but says nothing about trans people. The citing from Mark's Gospel is talking about marriage but not mentioning trans people. And the Corinthians letter denounces a lot of people, but again, not trans people.
Is there anything in the Bible which states that new parents, midwives, doctors and other people in a newborn baby's life cannot be wrong when they determine the baby's gender and that the baby cannot work out their own gender as they grow up?
I see what you mean kinda, the Deuteronomy enforces men and women from cross dressing, with the purpose of hilighting the difference between men and women.
The passage from Leviticus doesn't condemn you, rather the lifestyle that you may be living, (I say may because I don't personally know you but from what you've said you identify with LGBTQ)
The passage from Mark is speaking about Gods intended marriage between a man and a woman.
And lastly the passage from Corinthians is about, well many things that one I could maybe go in depth on.
I think that this passage from Luke would help explain my reasoning, maybe should have started with this XD
Luke 12:7 New Living Translation 7 And the very hairs on your head are all numbered.
Growing up this verse meant a lot to me, it really shows that from birth and before that God was crafting us! Our personally, or physical features, even our hobbies! It shows that nothing about is an accident! We are all intentionally made in Gods image, meaning if I was born a male that is what I am because it was not an accident.
I do believe that people can change their physical features with surgeries and such, but it only changes just that. Their physical features.
If you want I can give you some context surrounding the verse from Luke. :)
