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2017 Chess World Cup Anti-Logic

So you're Anton Demchenko in the World Cup playing in Round 2 against Vladimir Kramnik and down 1 game. You're in a must win situation for Game 2 in order to level the series. Rather than attempt this win with the white pieces, you offer a draw on move 10 in an equal position, eliminating yourself from the tournament and ensuring your opponent smoothly glides into the next round.

Can anyone explain this logic?

So you're Anton Demchenko in the World Cup playing in Round 2 against Vladimir Kramnik and down 1 game. You're in a must win situation for Game 2 in order to level the series. Rather than attempt this win with the white pieces, you offer a draw on move 10 in an equal position, eliminating yourself from the tournament and ensuring your opponent smoothly glides into the next round. Can anyone explain this logic?

I also got surprised by that. There is no explanation.

P.S Kovalyov drew his second game against Anand and winning the match 1 1/2 - 1/2 and eliminated him.

Daniil Dubov eliminated Karjakin.

Top seeds are going

I also got surprised by that. There is no explanation. P.S Kovalyov drew his second game against Anand and winning the match 1 1/2 - 1/2 and eliminated him. Daniil Dubov eliminated Karjakin. Top seeds are going

I going with Fischer's theory, these games are fixed. Does it make sense that Carlsen dominates, then he becomes a failure? How about his streak of starting poorly in a tournament, then getting a hot streak to win it?

I going with Fischer's theory, these games are fixed. Does it make sense that Carlsen dominates, then he becomes a failure? How about his streak of starting poorly in a tournament, then getting a hot streak to win it?

@jonesmh

I am unable to refute the idea that Demchenko threw that game. Leave it to the Russians to dilute and stain the purity of chess...

@jonesmh I am unable to refute the idea that Demchenko threw that game. Leave it to the Russians to dilute and stain the purity of chess...

I think there's more than a bit of leaping going on in some of this.

To speak of Carlsen's relative (heavy emphasis on "relative") slump as his becoming a failure is just silly.

His lowest live rating was what, 2822 or so and still #1 in the world?

If only I could be such a failure :)

On Demchenko-Kramnik, it's clear that Demchenko was being charitable to Kramnik, to put it mildly, whatever the particular motivations were.

It could be as innocent as his not liking his chances and wanting to catch a quick flight out and not pay for another night of hotel.

It could be as conniving as others have made it out to be. I don't know, and don't really care.

Chess is a game where the players can agree to stop the play and split the point at any time (or draw by repetition if rules prohibit that), and as long as that's the case there will always be cases of friends, teammates, compatriots, etc., giving each other an easy go of it.

It doesn't bother me so much here, although if it happened somewhere more critical (say, to directly give a candidates spot to someone, when one player wasn't so outmatched anyway) I'd be more concerned.

In general, most proposals to fix the general problem of easy draws have huge issues. There are a couple intriguing tournament format ideas that might be promising, but otherwise there's not a lot to do about such things.

If people really don't want to play on a particular day against a particular person, they'll find a way to do that.

Any general cure is going to be worse than the disease, in my opinion.

I think there's more than a bit of leaping going on in some of this. To speak of Carlsen's relative (heavy emphasis on "relative") slump as his becoming a failure is just silly. His lowest live rating was what, 2822 or so and still #1 in the world? If only I could be such a failure :) On Demchenko-Kramnik, it's clear that Demchenko was being charitable to Kramnik, to put it mildly, whatever the particular motivations were. It could be as innocent as his not liking his chances and wanting to catch a quick flight out and not pay for another night of hotel. It could be as conniving as others have made it out to be. I don't know, and don't really care. Chess is a game where the players can agree to stop the play and split the point at any time (or draw by repetition if rules prohibit that), and as long as that's the case there will always be cases of friends, teammates, compatriots, etc., giving each other an easy go of it. It doesn't bother me so much here, although if it happened somewhere more critical (say, to directly give a candidates spot to someone, when one player wasn't so outmatched anyway) I'd be more concerned. In general, most proposals to fix the general problem of easy draws have huge issues. There are a couple intriguing tournament format ideas that might be promising, but otherwise there's not a lot to do about such things. If people really don't want to play on a particular day against a particular person, they'll find a way to do that. Any general cure is going to be worse than the disease, in my opinion.

He loses the tournament, but he wins 2 rating points. Against Kramnik, this might be the best he can hope for...

He loses the tournament, but he wins 2 rating points. Against Kramnik, this might be the best he can hope for...

@Jhyn

So he offered a draw super early in the game, eliminating himself from the tournament to obtain 2 rating points...seriously?

@Jhyn So he offered a draw super early in the game, eliminating himself from the tournament to obtain 2 rating points...seriously?

Here's common logic for you. I agree to play/discuss openings with another player, but I warned him that I was bad at closed/semi-closed openings such as French, Caro-Kann, and Benoni. So the first opening he wants to play is the Benoni.

Here's common logic for you. I agree to play/discuss openings with another player, but I warned him that I was bad at closed/semi-closed openings such as French, Caro-Kann, and Benoni. So the first opening he wants to play is the Benoni.

Demchenko said he was feeling ill.

Demchenko said he was feeling ill.

@a_pleasant_illusion #5 good points.

Go players have such an easy life, no draws. And you cant drop the queen...

@a_pleasant_illusion #5 good points. Go players have such an easy life, no draws. And you cant drop the queen...

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