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Dear lichess,

If I say about a user "he cheated in his last 3 games against me", why in the world would I also need to provide links to those games?
Are you doing this because maybe I'll give up since I have to do additional work or are you really, really lazy?

Dear lichess, If I say about a user "he cheated in his last 3 games against me", why in the world would I also need to provide links to those games? Are you doing this because maybe I'll give up since I have to do additional work or are you really, really lazy?

In a few days, when someone gets around to reviewing your report, they would have to find the timestamp of the report, then the timestamp of all games you've played in the relevant day, and start comparing timestamps. That's not only annoying, it's error-prone. I don't know if the moderators have extra tools. But when I try to do something like that as a normal user, I have to open each game. I end up having a ton of tabs open, and jump between them, Yuck.

Are you asking because you're really, really lazy?

In a few days, when someone gets around to reviewing your report, they would have to find the timestamp of the report, then the timestamp of all games you've played in the relevant day, and start comparing timestamps. That's not only annoying, it's error-prone. I don't know if the moderators have extra tools. But when I try to do something like that as a normal user, I have to open each game. I end up having a ton of tabs open, and jump between them, Yuck. Are you asking because you're really, really lazy?

mcgoves - you'd think moderators (just like normal users) have a way to see last 4 games played between 2 users, no? One being the reporter and the other the "reportee". Even if the 2 users played after the report, I'm 100% sure that selecting last 4 games before a given timestamp (the timestamp of the report) is extremely easy to do. Also, I'm fairly sure that in general, whenever a report is investigated, the most relevant games SHOULD be the ones immediately before the report AND between the reporter and the reportee.
You didn't understand what I asked and you jumped into belittling only to belittle yourself.

mcgoves - you'd think moderators (just like normal users) have a way to see last 4 games played between 2 users, no? One being the reporter and the other the "reportee". Even if the 2 users played after the report, I'm 100% sure that selecting last 4 games before a given timestamp (the timestamp of the report) is extremely easy to do. Also, I'm fairly sure that in general, whenever a report is investigated, the most relevant games SHOULD be the ones immediately before the report AND between the reporter and the reportee. You didn't understand what I asked and you jumped into belittling only to belittle yourself.

Why would anybody think you're focused enough to actually spot cheaters when you're too lazy to copy-paste the URL of your own game?

Why would anybody think you're focused enough to actually spot cheaters when you're too lazy to copy-paste the URL of your own game?

@mojo_jojo_1985 said

Are you doing this because maybe I'll give up since I have to do additional work or are you really, really lazy?

You didn't understand what I asked and you jumped into belittling only to belittle yourself.

Why even write if you're going to be this rude?

@mojo_jojo_1985 said > Are you doing this because maybe I'll give up since I have to do additional work or are you really, really lazy? > You didn't understand what I asked and you jumped into belittling only to belittle yourself. Why even write if you're going to be this rude?

@dnowmects said in #5:

Why would anybody think you're focused enough to actually spot cheaters when you're too lazy to copy-paste the URL of your own game?

Good point. Obviously the point of asking for links to games is so they can check and see if they actually cheated or not, but maybe discouraging noise from lazy people like OP might be an added benefit. Didn't stop them from posting this though, unfortunately.

@dnowmects said in #5: > Why would anybody think you're focused enough to actually spot cheaters when you're too lazy to copy-paste the URL of your own game? Good point. Obviously the point of asking for links to games is so they can check and see if they actually cheated or not, but maybe discouraging noise from lazy people like OP might be an added benefit. Didn't stop them from posting this though, unfortunately.

@mojo_jojo_1985 said in #1:

Are you doing this because maybe I'll give up since I have to do additional work

it's exactly this. they want you to take a second and think about it, maybe check if the computer evaluation. they make you do that additional work so you don't just report whatever.
source: https://lichess.org/forum/lichess-feedback/better-anti-cheat?page=2#15

@mojo_jojo_1985 said in #1: > Are you doing this because maybe I'll give up since I have to do additional work it's exactly this. they want you to take a second and think about it, maybe check if the computer evaluation. they make you do that additional work so you don't just report whatever. source: https://lichess.org/forum/lichess-feedback/better-anti-cheat?page=2#15

@dnowmects : When someone hangs a piece every other move in 1+0 but sees every tactic no matter how long the move sequence is in 3+0 I don't really need to be focused at all to spot them.
It's ok, I get it, it's casual users who need to put in the effort to stop cheaters, not the people actually get paid to (or volunteer to, it's no difference) stop them. I'll just ban on my side and let the rest of the userbase deal with the cheaters as well.

@dnowmects : When someone hangs a piece every other move in 1+0 but sees every tactic no matter how long the move sequence is in 3+0 I don't really need to be focused at all to spot them. It's ok, I get it, it's casual users who need to put in the effort to stop cheaters, not the people actually get paid to (or volunteer to, it's no difference) stop them. I'll just ban on my side and let the rest of the userbase deal with the cheaters as well.

@mojo_jojo_1985 said in #9:

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It's ok, I get it, it's casual users who need to put in the effort to stop cheaters, not the people actually get paid to (or volunteer to, it's no difference) stop them. I'll just ban on my side and let the rest of the userbase deal with the cheaters as well.

It's a question of numbers. The countless thousands of active players on the site are a useful addition to the tiny handful of dedicated cheating detection experts who have a huge amount of work on their hands evaluating large numbers of cheating reports from both software and human players. Those reports, many as they are, must all be scrutinized to keep this site as free from cheating as possible.

Any help you can give in your reports to point to games where you think cheating has occurred means the expert can avoid wasting time looking for what you mean, deal with the report, and move on to the next one in the huge to-do list.

@mojo_jojo_1985 said in #9: > [...] > It's ok, I get it, it's casual users who need to put in the effort to stop cheaters, not the people actually get paid to (or volunteer to, it's no difference) stop them. I'll just ban on my side and let the rest of the userbase deal with the cheaters as well. It's a question of numbers. The countless thousands of active players on the site are a useful addition to the tiny handful of dedicated cheating detection experts who have a huge amount of work on their hands evaluating large numbers of cheating reports from both software and human players. Those reports, many as they are, must all be scrutinized to keep this site as free from cheating as possible. Any help you can give in your reports to point to games where you think cheating has occurred means the expert can avoid wasting time looking for what you mean, deal with the report, and move on to the next one in the huge to-do list.

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