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#1

I have a question: what are the rules for "premove"? I've lost many games against players who use it. I consider this way of playing unethical and an affront to the art of chess because it gives players a technological advantage. Who can move a real competition clock with less than a second? I consider these players cheaters, even though they're allowed to use it. At the very least, each player's profile should have a red indicator showing that they can use this trick, so players can avoid playing against them. It's disappointing to lose in such an equitable way.
Saludos desde Mexico
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I have a question: what are the rules for "premove"? I've lost many games against players who use it. I consider this way of playing unethical and an affront to the art of chess because it gives players a technological advantage. Who can move a real competition clock with less than a second? I consider these players cheaters, even though they're allowed to use it. At the very least, each player's profile should have a red indicator showing that they can use this trick, so players can avoid playing against them. It's disappointing to lose in such an equitable way. Saludos desde Mexico Thank you.
#2

You seem to play rapid and advantage gained by pre-move about zero there. And ionline games differ from real world chess in many ways. There is no touch rule and no punishment for illegal moves for example. Pre-moves exist in all chess sites so you have just accept that as fact of life adapt. And no you cannot put red mark on practically every member of site.

And "rules" of pre-move not as such, It just an feature. Basically you can make you move while waiting opponent move and once opponent moves that move is made if it is legal. on other sites implementation might be different.

You seem to play rapid and advantage gained by pre-move about zero there. And ionline games differ from real world chess in many ways. There is no touch rule and no punishment for illegal moves for example. Pre-moves exist in all chess sites so you have just accept that as fact of life adapt. And no you cannot put red mark on practically every member of site. And "rules" of pre-move not as such, It just an feature. Basically you can make you move while waiting opponent move and once opponent moves that move is made if it is legal. on other sites implementation might be different.
#3

If it bothers you, you can always switch to time controls with increment where you don't really have to worry about premoves. Sure, some players premove even in time controls like 45+45 or 90+30 but when it happens, I rather see it as a funny detail than as a problem.

If it bothers you, you can always switch to time controls with increment where you don't really have to worry about premoves. Sure, some players premove even in time controls like 45+45 or 90+30 but when it happens, I rather see it as a funny detail than as a problem.
#4

I do it on long thinking times on simple re-take positions in case opponent chooses to take my piece. But gain there is absolutely zero. So yes a funny detail in particular I can games of that length by time. I have once experienced my opponent running out of time on 90/30 before reaching move 40 where she would have got extra 30 minutes. But that was real world not online

I do it on long thinking times on simple re-take positions in case opponent chooses to take my piece. But gain there is absolutely zero. So yes a funny detail in particular I can games of that length by time. I have once experienced my opponent running out of time on 90/30 before reaching move 40 where she would have got extra 30 minutes. But that was real world not online
#5

@petri999 said in #4:

I do it on long thinking times on simple re-take positions in case opponent chooses to take my piece. But gain there is absolutely zero.

I suppose it could be useful when I need to go to the toilet, for example. But surely not something one couldn't live without.

I have once experienced my opponent running out of time on 90/30 before reaching move 40 where she would have got extra 30 minutes.

I already ran out of time before move 40 in 90+30 (either for 40 moves or for the whole game) few times and I've been only playing OTB for less than two years since the restart.

@petri999 said in #4: > I do it on long thinking times on simple re-take positions in case opponent chooses to take my piece. But gain there is absolutely zero. I suppose it could be useful when I need to go to the toilet, for example. But surely not something one couldn't live without. > I have once experienced my opponent running out of time on 90/30 before reaching move 40 where she would have got extra 30 minutes. I already ran out of time before move 40 in 90+30 (either for 40 moves or for the whole game) few times and I've been only playing OTB for less than two years since the restart.
#6

The rule is that anyone can use premoves all the time without limitations regardless of variant and time control. This alone makes it a totally legitimate practice.

You cannot control other players' choices, but you can control yours here: https://lichess.org/account/preferences/game-behavior.
Always assume your opponent can premove when you play a game, especially without increment.

The rule is that anyone can use premoves all the time without limitations regardless of variant and time control. This alone makes it a totally legitimate practice. You cannot control other players' choices, but you can control yours here: https://lichess.org/account/preferences/game-behavior. Always assume your opponent can premove when you play a game, especially without increment.
#7

@OTONO95 said in #1:

Who can move a real competition clock with less than a second?

Many people... I could when I was younger...

In OTB, you are allowed to move as soon as your opponent has released his piece. There is no obligation to wait for him to hit is clock. Indeed, you can even complete your move before he hits his clock. He is still allowed to then press it, but you can press it right back in some 0.1 seconds.

In fact, for a while, a popular model of digital clock (no longer in use) rounded time to the nearest 0.5 seconds, not only on the display, but even internally. It was possible to play effectively infinite moves without using any time.

Racing your opponent to the clock would surely be seen as very annoying in classical time controls, but is common practice in blitzt tournaments, especially when there is no increment.

@OTONO95 said in #1: > Who can move a real competition clock with less than a second? Many people... I could when I was younger... In OTB, you are allowed to move as soon as your opponent has released his piece. There is no obligation to wait for him to hit is clock. Indeed, you can even complete your move before he hits his clock. He is still allowed to then press it, but you can press it right back in some 0.1 seconds. In fact, for a while, a popular model of digital clock (no longer in use) rounded time to the nearest 0.5 seconds, not only on the display, but even internally. It was possible to play effectively infinite moves without using any time. Racing your opponent to the clock would surely be seen as very annoying in classical time controls, but is common practice in blitzt tournaments, especially when there is no increment.
#8

@CG314 said in #7:

Racing your opponent to the clock would surely be seen as very annoying in classical time controls, but is common practice in blitzt tournaments, especially when there is no increment.

Few days ago I played a classical game (2 hours for 40 moves, 1 hour after) where my opponent kept blitzing his moves without recording mine first, even if he still had more than 90 minutes left, just to apply additional psychological pressure.

@CG314 said in #7: > Racing your opponent to the clock would surely be seen as very annoying in classical time controls, but is common practice in blitzt tournaments, especially when there is no increment. Few days ago I played a classical game (2 hours for 40 moves, 1 hour after) where my opponent kept blitzing his moves without recording mine first, even if he still had more than 90 minutes left, just to apply additional psychological pressure.
#9

FOR ALL, THANKS A LOT. PREMOVE IT IS A BAD EXPERIENCE. BUT LEGAL IN THE THIS WORD.

FOR ALL, THANKS A LOT. PREMOVE IT IS A BAD EXPERIENCE. BUT LEGAL IN THE THIS WORD.