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Upstream1656 edited

#62

You troll and seem to have made account just for that and 1 particular subject.
@whereof-thereof .

You troll and seem to have made account just for that and 1 particular subject. @whereof-thereof .

#63

clousems

#64

@InkyDarkBird said in #45:

So you'd rather have a society that permits voices for genocide, mass segregation, prejudice, conspiracy theories, misinformation, etc over a society that restricts those voices?

Short answer: yes
Long answer: yyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeessssssssssssssssss

greenteakitten

#65

@InkyDarkBird said in #45:

So you'd rather have a society that permits voices for genocide, mass segregation, prejudice, conspiracy theories, misinformation, etc over a society that restricts those voices?

It is impossible to "ban" views. You cannot take away from a man what is already in his head.

For example, what if you asked me what kind of views I would want to ban? Well, I might choose to ban insane conspiracy theories, disinformation about current issues, genocide, racism, etc. I'm sure you would all agree with me!

But now what happens if you ask me to start to specify exactly what kind of racism counts as racism? Or what counts as genocide? Or what counts as a crazy conspiracy theory?

Chances are, you will not agree with me. In fact, my views might be insane conspiracy theories to you!

But let's say that our society is better than that and actually agrees on exactly what to allow and what to ban. Now we run into the issue of getting into someone's brain.

Say someone believes that all Chinese men should die. Now, this is a clear sexist and genocidal statement. But how can we get it out of his head?

We could try saying that he's wrong. We could try teaching tolerance and diversity. Yet, if he stays strong in his beliefs, we will only strengthen his beliefs. And if he's smart, he might even agree to us to get us off his back, so that he can continue believing what he wants in secret.

Now of course, you could argue that this doesn't harm anyone. But it does. How can you control that man so that he does not tell another man his beliefs in a hurried whisper? How can you prevent the spread of beliefs you consider dangerous? After all, the people that agreed to outlaw certain beliefs likely never agreed with the full law, only agreeing to compromise. Now that you're attacking their views, all compromise can go out the window.

This "perfect society" that we're trying to construct is the perfect example of a beautiful rebellion.

We cannot possibly regulate society until all humans learn to be perfect. Until then, we can only settle to have an imperfect society where people are "allowed" to have extremist views.

People with views we consider harmful are actually in a sense beneficial to us when they speak their mind. It helps us, at the very least, to be able to distinguish between who we do NOT want to be around! :)

@InkyDarkBird said in #45: > So you'd rather have a society that permits voices for genocide, mass segregation, prejudice, conspiracy theories, misinformation, etc over a society that restricts those voices? It is impossible to "ban" views. You cannot take away from a man what is already in his head. For example, what if you asked me what kind of views I would want to ban? Well, I might choose to ban insane conspiracy theories, disinformation about current issues, genocide, racism, etc. I'm sure you would all agree with me! But now what happens if you ask me to start to specify exactly what kind of racism counts as racism? Or what counts as genocide? Or what counts as a crazy conspiracy theory? Chances are, you will not agree with me. In fact, my views might be insane conspiracy theories to you! But let's say that our society is better than that and actually agrees on exactly what to allow and what to ban. Now we run into the issue of getting into someone's brain. Say someone believes that all Chinese men should die. Now, this is a clear sexist and genocidal statement. But how can we get it out of his head? We could try saying that he's wrong. We could try teaching tolerance and diversity. Yet, if he stays strong in his beliefs, we will only *strengthen* his beliefs. And if he's smart, he might even agree to us to get us off his back, so that he can continue believing what he wants in secret. Now of course, you could argue that this doesn't harm anyone. But it does. How can you control that man so that he does not tell another man his beliefs in a hurried whisper? How can you prevent the spread of beliefs you consider dangerous? After all, the people that agreed to outlaw certain beliefs likely never agreed with the full law, only agreeing to compromise. Now that you're attacking *their* views, all compromise can go out the window. This "perfect society" that we're trying to construct is the perfect example of a beautiful rebellion. We cannot possibly regulate society until all humans learn to be perfect. Until then, we can only settle to have an imperfect society where people are "allowed" to have extremist views. People with views we consider harmful are actually in a sense beneficial to us when they speak their mind. It helps us, at the very least, to be able to distinguish between who we do NOT want to be around! :)

bobandbill

#66

well ig they just don't really care, chances are most people have heard of the Holocaust. And not really the other event you speak of. Not downplaying either btw.