@Dukedog said in #45:
> @smhwhcoetsloetoeo
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> Nope, I don't fall for anything. I particularly don't fall for pathetic little trolling attempts. Welcome to the forum. ;)
Well, often falling for something implies you're not aware you fell for it. Anyone who doesn't realize that Noflaps is a pure pro-Trump propagandist and climate change denialist who constantly uses fallacies and anti-science rhetoric to push his agenda, fell for it.
But hey, he's always polite, so kudos to him I guess?
@smhwhcoetsloetoeo said in #43:
> The only thing Noflaps is a master of is conservative propaganda. And you fell for it.
This thread was intended, if I understand correctly, to name those posters who have reached “master” status. Some of those named are listed as favorites while others are listed according to their “forum prowess”. Perhaps we can place individuals in both categories. Your ad hominem attack towards @Dukedog and @Noflaps seems out of order for this thread. We may all choose to disagree with anyone listed, but it should with appropriateness, and at times, restraint.
@smhwhcoetsloetoeo
I wouldn't care if I never heard another word about Trump good or bad which is not any sort of endorsement or condemnation. I merely fail to see how such posts accomplish anything other than to sow arguments and further animosity.
I guess I would describe myself as a realist and not easily subject to manipulation in that I do my research, investigate different news reporting agencies and seek to separate the wheat from the chaff and draw my own conclusions realizing that all media is essentially spun to one degree or another.
I must say however that I do believe you do Noflaps a disservice in characterizing him as just a propagandist and Trump supporter in that he is rather more than that and does and is continuing to post in many topics on a variety of subjects.
You are absolutely correct that he is polite which is refreshing in any political engagement and I have found his statements to be well formed and logical and I've mostly seen him exhibit a moderating effect in many discussions ( personally I stay out of political and religious discussions having observed that too many think their truth is the only truth).
You are ofc entitled to your own opinions but I do think personal attacks should best be left out of the forum.
In conclusion I will mention that I do appreciate your tone in your last and harbor no ill will towards you and look forward to your future postings.
@smhwhcoetsloetoeo , you write -- with apparent confidence -- in #51 (see, also, #43) -- that I am "a pure pro-Trump propagandist and climate change denialist who constantly uses fallacies and anti-science rhetoric...."
That is no doubt how you see me. And, I suggest, how some might prefer to see me -- since if I am such a person, they need not really consider anything I have to say and can dismiss it all out of hand without carefully considering it, or perhaps even reading it at all.
That would no doubt save them much time and trouble. And might be much more comfortable. I hold no grudges, if so.
However, I don't see how I can be a "pure" Trump supporter, since I have stated here, more than once, that I do not agree with some of his notions and policies. And I don't agree with some of his actions, as well -- although I do not think his intentions are evil or utterly self-serving.
Nor do I think he is a "Russian agent" or attempting to "destroy democracy," no matter how many people howl it out while conveniently ignoring the unhelpful policies of some others, or what he's had to deal with. A lot of time has been wasted over the years on failed impeachments, both by Democrats and by Republicans (ask Bill Clinton).
I wish all could abandon the politics of personal destruction and the tendency to name call and exaggerate. Name calling has become a too-common tool when people disagree. But it turns no fertile soil.
Angry exaggerated rhetoric may get clicks and eyeballs, but I don't think it helps the country. And sure, at times I wish the President himself would soften his own rhetoric a bit. Indeed, I may have sensed a recent tendency in that direction, although (of course) others may disagree. I haven't sensed any softening from others, however. Perhaps I'm just missing it.
Furthermore, I have acknowledged, more than once, that climate change is real and can be attributed, at least in part, to human causes, and have studied the science. In college my emphasis was not at all on art history or music, my friend, although that would have been splendid, in retrospect.
You say I engage in "anti-science" rhetoric. That, my friend, I believe to be nonsense.
Please carefully quote and source what you find me to have said that is "anti-science." Seriously, if you think I've written something hostile to "science" itself, please show me.
I not only value science, I believe I have rather more education and experience with it than most. I am certainly not against it.
Too many people mistake disagreement with, or any deviation from, any of their own views as being "anti-science." That's a rather common youthful perspective, I fear.
I'll await any provided proof that I am "anti-science." Since I am, in fact, not remotely anti-science, but rather fond of science (as even a cursory examination of my library could confirm), I suspect that proof will be rather hard to provide. Please remember that science is not improved by politics. Science is open-minded, and capable of constantly reevaluating its own tentative findings.
If it were not, we'd still be puzzled by blackbody radiation, would we not?
@Dukedog said in #47:
> I'd have to definitely agree that @morphyms1817 would have to be on the list. I find his posts rather interesting even if he does seem to be inordinately fond of radishes ;)
I was tending the radishes and realized I had a ping from Dukedog. Thank you!
@Dukedog said in #53:
> I guess I would describe myself as a realist and not easily subject to manipulation in that I do my research, investigate different news reporting agencies and seek to separate the wheat from the chaff and draw my own conclusions realizing that all media is essentially spun to one degree or another.
I have enjoyed reading your posts for many years but as of late I noticed a certain turn towards conservative views, and I think no one is immune to propaganda.
> I must say however that I do believe you do Noflaps a disservice in characterizing him as just a propagandist and Trump supporter in that he is rather more than that and does and is continuing to post in many topics on a variety of subjects.
I have mostly stopped reading Noflaps posts because it's always more of the same, but when I used to read it, there would extremely rarely be any post of his which isn't about politics -- even when it appears to be on a different topic, he always manages to slip an allusion for the cognoscenti.
@HerkyHawkeye said in #52:
> This thread was intended, if I understand correctly, to name those posters who have reached “master” status. Some of those named are listed as favorites while others are listed according to their “forum prowess”. Perhaps we can place individuals in both categories. Your ad hominem attack towards @Dukedog and Noflaps seems out of order for this thread. We may all choose to disagree with anyone listed, but it should with appropriateness, and at times, restraint.
Well let's just say I am a master in inappropriateness then ;)
(also I have no issue with you calling my post an ad hominem attack towards Noflaps -- although technically speaking, ad hominem is a type of fallacy in a debate, and I was not debating -- but it certainly wasn't against Dukedog)
@greenteakitten your love for me is well reciprocated ;)
@smhwhcoetsloetoeo
Sure I can agree with that somewhat.
I think you would agree propaganda does have many faces whether liberal or conservative.
And yes I do lean conservative to some degree yet I still have some liberal views .
Not all conservative views are bad nor are all liberal views. I suppose it is a matter of degree .
I would counsel us all to to peer through demogougery of whatever fashion ,to think for ourselves without simply listening to what we are told and to seek the rational middleground without retreat to jingoism.No all that is not this and all this is not that. Generalities are generally mistaken (ofc not all, that would be a general statement,wouldn't it),but still you get the idea,no one is right all the time in every situation ,I would certainly not pretend to be so.
Lol,it might be nice if Roberts rules of order were present in political debate but sadly such is not the case and rationality does seem to frequently fall by the wayside doesn't it ?. I don't mean in your case or that of anyone elses but just as an observation upon the state of political discourse.
I have mentioned I try to stay out of political discussion and I'm trying to do so now. I merely suggest that we all should treat one another with respect regardless of our personal opinions.
Isn't it funny how topics frequently veer off course once politics raises its head?
Anyway I entreat everyone to be respectful in all posts,try to see all sides of an issue ,debate rationally and without animosity and to strive for a better understanding.
Lol,in case anyone's wondering
I'm not applying for a moderator badge
I just want you all
To be good to one another.
In the words of Forrest Gump
That's all I gotta say about that.
Aw im not mentioned :(
@natbee56 said in #59:
> Aw im not mentioned :(
Man, it seems we are forgotten, quite sad
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